1st Cycle Critique

[rockinred]

Going to start my first injectable cycle. I have completed 5 cycles of pro-hormones (m1T and others) with proper pct and diet. Learned the ins-and-outs. Ready for the real gear and real results. Lifting for quite a few years off an on..hardcore the past two.. squats 440 max, bench 365 max, deadlift 375 max...for reference.

Here are my stats:
5ft 8
208 lbs
17% BF
32 yrs

Here is the stack plan. 10 week cycle of some Russian test and equipose stack.

Week 1-10 - Super Test 250 - 1cc on Monday and 1cc on Friday. Total 2cc's per week.
Week 1-10 - Equipose - 1cc only on Wednesday.

11-14 - PCT, nolva, clomid, Aromisin?? should i change this?

One major question is I am coming off a pro-homone 4 week cycle and i am in week 2 pct. I figured 4 more weeks then run this stack. What do you think? Was planning on injecting everything in the buttocks as oppose to sight inject due to starting out.

Any advice is appreciated and thanks in advance.

[kfrost06]

Are you sure about the amounts of test? 10cc's of test 250 is 2500mg of test 2x a week, that's unheard of. I think you meant 2 ccs, I hope.

[rockinred]

your right bro my bad.. 2cc at 500 a week.

[MartyMcFly]

What is the make up of super test/ Is it half prop half Enth

[magicstick2003]

whats the concentration of the EQ cause i don;t think 1 cc/wk will be near enough.

[rockinred]

What is the make up of super test/ Is it half prop half Enth

To tell you the truth I don't know. I am checking with my buddy, but I can throw up some pics of it this eve when I get home. It has the info on the vial and they are all glass... Russain brewed is where it is from.

Still on the learning curve, but what would it mean?

[MartyMcFly]

To tell you the truth I don't know. I am checking with my buddy, but I can throw up some pics of it this eve when I get home. It has the info on the vial and they are all glass... Russain brewed is where it is from.

Still on the learning curve, but what would it mean?

You would have to inject a whole lot more frequently.

[kfrost06]

To tell you the truth I don't know. I am checking with my buddy, but I can throw up some pics of it this eve when I get home. It has the info on the vial and they are all glass... Russain brewed is where it is from.

Still on the learning curve, but what would it mean?

Knowing what kinda of test(side chain esters) will tell you how long the half life is. That is how long it will be in your system, how long it will take to "kick in".

[rockinred]

Bro said it was pure test... he is a big boy and has been doing it for a while, but he is not too good on the details, not sure if he even knows the difference.... I guess everyone is different. I have to know what causes what and why... bro just likes to get down in the gym and he said this was some pretty good stuff. He blew up pretty big on this last cycle.

[rockinred]

I hear what everyone is saying.. I will throw up some pics of the vials in about an hour when I get to my house. I will zoom in. Appreciate all the help on this.. I don't like to do things blind or ignorant and that is why I am here.

[MartyMcFly]

I hear what everyone is saying.. I will throw up some pics of the vials in about an hour when I get to my house. I will zoom in. Appreciate all the help on this.. I don't like to do things blind or ignorant and that is why I am here.

That would be a good idea. Atleast you want to know what is going into your body.

[Boricua74]

Hello ppl.

I need some suggestions here. Is gonna be my first cycle ever, I'm 5'6",154lbs.,BF ??%. I do run pretty much everyday, gym when my job let me go. I wanna use at least one cycle of Winny and Deca, how long a cycle should last and quantity per day/week?

[MartyMcFly]

Hello ppl.

I need some suggestions here. Is gonna be my first cycle ever, I'm 5'6",154lbs.,BF ??%. I do run pretty much everyday, gym when my job let me go. I wanna use at least one cycle of Winny and Deca, how long a cycle should last and quantity per day/week? also If is secure buy it online???

Start own thread but you will get flamed if you post this question. Research first.

[Outta Kontrol]

good thing you are one who has to know how and why then. He (your bro) would not be my first source of cycle advice. Is 10 weeks of eq enough here? How many mgs a week are you PLANNING on taking?

[kfrost06]

Your doing the right thing by researching and asking questions. I have never seen super test but I think it's the same as sus 250. I am sure someone here knows. We will know when you post your pics of it. BTW 365lbs on the bench w/o gear is an awesome bench!! Hell, that's an awesome bench while on gear.

[rockinred]

good thing you are one who has to know how and why then. He (your bro) would not be my first source of cycle advice. Is 10 weeks of eq enough here? How many mgs a week are you PLANNING on taking?

I have about 15cc of it total and was planning on doing 1cc of EQ on wednesday since stacking with the 2 cc's a week of test..

I figured I will do a 10 week stack with the test because I only have enough vials for 10 weeks of test at 2cc a week. I have more EQ than 10 weeks, but I figured after 10 weeks I will need to start pct... If things are going well maybe I will bump up the EQ to 2cc a week on top of the 2 cc of test toward the end week 8-10 just to deplete the remains. What do you think about that?

[rockinred]

Your doing the right thing by researching and asking questions. I have never seen super test but I think it's the same as sus 250. I am sure someone here knows. We will know when you post your pics of it. BTW 365lbs on the bench w/o gear is an awesome bench!! Hell, that's an awesome bench while on gear.

Thanks man, that was a good deal for me, but pro-hormones gave me some bump on those numbers. I think that is why I want to run the gear.. I am shooting for the 400 club on this cycle.

[magicstick2003]

you should shoot for getting your hands on some more gear OR since it is your first cycle go with test alone. I do not think 10 weeks of EQ is sufficient i know whn i see people on here doing it and when i myself toyed with using it i think the minimum suggested was 12-14 weeks. IF i were you save the EQ, run test alone, see how you respond to it then you can go from there... add mroe stuff in in future cycles. (i.e. both test and EQ have potential for hair loss depending on the individual, however if u run them both together right off the bat you won;t know which one is causing it.. as some pople may have more problem with EQ others with test.) thats just my opinion to go test alone save EQ and other compounds for when you know how you react to one.

[Boricua74]

you should shoot for getting your hands on some more gear OR since it is your first cycle go with test alone. I do not think 10 weeks of EQ is sufficient i know whn i see people on here doing it and when i myself toyed with using it i think the minimum suggested was 12-14 weeks. IF i were you save the EQ, run test alone, see how you respond to it then you can go from there... add mroe stuff in in future cycles. (i.e. both test and EQ have potential for hair loss depending on the individual, however if u run them both together right off the bat you won;t know which one is causing it.. as some pople may have more problem with EQ others with test.) thats just my opinion to go test alone save EQ and other compounds for when you know how you react to one.

Any "brand" in particular Im really new on this also, how much I'll gain just with Test. I'd get a lil bit big and cut. I am average guy 154lbs, 5'6", kind of skinny guy.

[Boricua74]

you should shoot for getting your hands on some more gear OR since it is your first cycle go with test alone. I do not think 10 weeks of EQ is sufficient i know whn i see people on here doing it and when i myself toyed with using it i think the minimum suggested was 12-14 weeks. IF i were you save the EQ, run test alone, see how you respond to it then you can go from there... add mroe stuff in in future cycles. (i.e. both test and EQ have potential for hair loss depending on the individual, however if u run them both together right off the bat you won;t know which one is causing it.. as some pople may have more problem with EQ others with test.) thats just my opinion to go test alone save EQ and other compounds for when you know how you react to one.

Just Deca? for how long??? I'd like to get cut also.

[Outta Kontrol]

Just Deca? for how long??? I'd like to get cut also.

bro for real start your own thread... this one is

[MartyMcFly]

Just Deca? for how long??? I'd like to get cut also.

And diet and cardio cut you.

[rockinred]

Here is a picture...not to great, but I tried for 1/2 hour and couldn't get anything worth a crap...

[MartyMcFly]

Does it say Galenika on it?

[rockinred]

yes it sure does. what do you know?

[MartyMcFly]

I believe that is test E which is a good thing just one ester. I do not know if they make anything else than test e so other comments please. Now you can inject 2x/week.

[kfrost06]

I don't know, there are just so many out there now. I bet michealcc or someone else would know from the pics forum.

[Outta Kontrol]

ok but how many mgs are in 1cc of your EQ? I thought that was the question

[rockinred]

I believe that is test E which is a good thing just one ester. I do not know if they make anything else than test e so other comments please. Now you can inject 2x/week.

Sounds good...thx for the input and info.

[rockinred]

ok but how many mgs are in 1cc of your EQ? I thought that was the question

I don't know on this one.. I was going off his advise to take 1 cc and stack with the 2cc of test... The bottle is not marked and he said it is 15 cc of equipose... He wouldn't bullshit me, but what should I be concerned with? is 1cc a week of EQ stacked with the 2cc of Galenika Test not worth it? Or is it just the time frame of 10 weeks? I'm open...let me know? I figured it was a extra little something to the test, because I was going to do a dbol stack with test, but he said EQ was much better. ??

[MartyMcFly]

I would not run the EQ. From what others have said on here EQ needs to be run a long time and at high doses.

[rockinred]

Does everyone agree that I shouldn't run the EQ with test for 10 weeks? Anyone tried this stack?

[2deizel]

all you need right now for your first real cycle is 400-500 mgs a week of test for 12 weeks that the first time norm and with proper diet and training you could gain a easy 15-20 lbs

[Outta Kontrol]

all you need right now for your first real cycle is 400-500 mgs a week of test for 12 weeks that the first time norm and with proper diet and training you could gain a easy 15-20 lbs

Agreed. even 400-500mgs for 10 weeks and you will see these gains and you will be in that 400 club too. I say just do the test only. Save the EQ

[rockinred]

Thanks for all the help!!!... I will take it to the pct and diet forum when on cycle from here...

[Decoder]

Through out this whole post no one really critiqued this cycle so i will for you,
Im assuming our eq is 250ml per cc, your suggest test amount looks perfect for you, so does the length your on your gear. I would do 600mgs of Eq a week with your 500mgs of test, so If you dont have enough vials you better get some or that eq wont do much for you.


weeks 1-10 supertest250 500mgs a week split 1cc twice a week.
weeks 1-10 eq250 600mgs a week split 1.5ccs twice a week
weeks 1-4 Dbol 40mgs a day
(mix eq in the same needle as the supertest)

You should grow big time set up like that for your first cycle.

[Decoder]

As for the Eq i personally think Eq sucks. ive ran a test prop/eq stack, with 750mgs of eq a week it didnt do much, If you have the stuff take it. I would ignore what everyone else is saying.

[Outta Kontrol]

As for the Eq i personally think Eq sucks. ive ran a test prop/eq stack, with 750mgs of eq a week it didnt do much, If you have the stuff take it. I would ignore what everyone else is saying.

problem is he doesn't know what he has! and neither does his source.

[rockinred]

Through out this whole post no one really critiqued this cycle so i will for you,
Im assuming our eq is 250ml per cc, your suggest test amount looks perfect for you, so does the length your on your gear. I would do 600mgs of Eq a week with your 500mgs of test, so If you dont have enough vials you better get some or that eq wont do much for you.


weeks 1-10 supertest250 500mgs a week split 1cc twice a week.
weeks 1-10 eq250 600mgs a week split 1.5ccs twice a week
weeks 1-4 Dbol 40mgs a day
(mix eq in the same needle as the supertest)

You should grow big time set up like that for your first cycle.

I talked to him and the EQ is 250ml per cc... Going with the 600 mgs a week of the EQ i can do... when you say mix with the test needle, how do you do that?

I am figuring that would be a 2.5 cc in one shot... is that cool in one muscle group?

[Decoder]

I talked to him and the EQ is 250ml per cc... Going with the 600 mgs a week of the EQ i can do... when you say mix with the test needle, how do you do that?

I am figuring that would be a 2.5 cc in one shot... is that cool in one muscle group?

well suck the amount you need for the day out of the test bottle into your needle, then grab your eq bottle and suck up what you need out of there, your needle is probably 3cc's in size. Easy as that. Yes! 3ccs is fine to shoot in one muscle i would shoot 5ccs if i could find a needle that big at walmart :P
I personally dont like site injecting so i wouldnt recomend going over 3ccs if your doing spot.