8 weeks VS. 10 weeks for newbies

[MBaraso]

When I first started using AS the standard cycle was 8 weeks. Back then 10-12 weeks were almost un-heard of!
My question is: What made the standard cycle jump from 8 weeks to 10-12 weeks? Was it the increase in ml/mg dosage on products? Or is it the fact that we all want to get bigger fast with the bigger dosages? Or both?

Have we turned away from the focus of training?
My opinion to follow.....

Discuss...............

[Booz]

When I first started using AS the standard cycle was 8 weeks. Back then 10-12 weeks were almost un-heard of!
My question is: What made the standard cycle jump from 8 weeks to 10-12 weeks? Was it the increase in ml/mg dosage on products? Or is it the fact that we all want to get bigger fast with the bigger dosages? Or both?

Have we turned away from the focus of training?
My opinion to follow.....

Discuss...............

personally for me i would say 10 weeks as FOR ME the longer acting esters do not show significant gains till week 7............

[MBaraso]

personally for me i would say 10 weeks as FOR ME the longer acting esters do not show significant gains till week 7............

I agree. But in the early 90's we were only seeing 50mg per ml deca and 50mg per mg EQ.
Where u using then?

[Booz]

I agree. But in the early 90's we were only seeing 50mg per ml deca and 50mg per mg EQ.
Where u using then?

lol no i wasnt mate...................
i see where you are coming from now...............
i cant see why it would be the increase in mg per ml,i just think the need for growth with new users in our day and age is greater,the yoputh of today do not seem to care as much for their health as their peers did in the past..........
this is not only in the case of roid usage but this is the same for most things,do you not agree?

[MBaraso]

I agree. We abuse everything...
MODS, VETS, What do u think about the dosages that guys are taking these days?

[helium3]

I agree. We abuse everything...
MODS, VETS, What do u think about the dosages that guys are taking these days?

i think the more is better trend has kicked in good style.but we do now have a better understanding of the compounds we are using.the internet has also allowed the masses to communicate their success's or failures,so again more available knowledge at hand.

[helium3]

in addition,as from last cycle i havwe now decided to run cycles no longer than 8 weeks as i see no gains after around week 6-7,yeah and that includes long esters.

[marcus300]

Everyone responds differently to length of cycle and dosages, Its about finding out what your body best responds to. Longer cycle doesn't mean longer or bigger gains, its what you do before and during what will achieve results.

IMHO shorter the cycle the better if you prepare for it correctly and incorporate the right diet and training program and use compounds what will achieve your goals there would be no need to run long cycles, even with longer ester's if you front load no need to carry on using when the gains have stopped or slowed down.

[Outta Kontrol]

Everyone responds differently to length of cycle and dosages, Its about finding out what your body best responds to. Longer cycle doesn't mean longer or bigger gains, its what you do before and during what will achieve results.

IMHO shorter the cycle the better if you prepare for it correctly and incorporate the right diet and training program and use compounds what will achieve your goals there would be no need to run long cycles, even with longer ester's if you front load no need to carry on using when the gains have stopped or slowed down.

I agree with this. Cycle length is determined by each of our personal experiences and how well we individually respond to a compund or stack of compounds. Once the desired rsuts deminish then so should the cycle. Thereby, decreasing the chances of any longterm damage. Did you see the thread "Why can't I grow anmore"?

[hardgainer1]

I agree with this. Cycle length is determined by each of our personal experiences and how well we individually respond to a compund or stack of compounds. Once the desired rsuts deminish then so should the cycle. Thereby, decreasing the chances of any longterm damage. Did you see the thread "Why can't I grow anmore"?

I couldn't agree more. Each person is differernt. I found that after 5 cycles which compunds doseages and time frames work best for me , I am still learning obviously but you have to make yourself a guniea pig of sorts, hopefully armed with as much info about each compund before you inject the first time