Bridging between cycles!!

[con3151]

Hey,

i am about to finish a deca and test cycle and am just wandering when u bridge between ur next cycle using a low dose of dbol do u run this while ur doing ur PCT or do u return to normal test levels etc and then start it.

Thanks

[Jucinator2]

some people bridge using 10 mgs of d-bol taken inthe morning so by night timeyour body dosent sense to much test so it contiuses to make it's own. that is the theory. most people do it so they dont lose size. but you always pay the piper some where down the line. But again most pros dont come off they just cycle from one cycle to the next.

[con3151]

Thanks for the reply and the tip but for example do u run the dbol while u are on ur PCT from ur previous cycle that u had just finishedd???

[Dizz28]

some people bridge using 10 mgs of d-bol taken inthe morning so by night timeyour body dosent sense to much test so it contiuses to make it's own. that is the theory. most people do it so they dont lose size. but you always pay the piper some where down the line. But again most pros dont come off they just cycle from one cycle to the next.

i had the same question in mind. about to finsh my cycle and I was thinking about EDIT: 5mgs taken early morning then 5mgs 4 hours later just to keep the catobolic effects down while my Test levels drop drastically. Any other thoughts about this?

Then 5mgsday/Morning only with 20mg nolva/day and 200 - 250IU HCG run every day for a month.

Thought on this way of recovering...and please no flames or worthless posts....honestly, I've heard enough.

Just constructive criticism will be recognized. Thanks

Dizz

[Hellmaskbanned]

some people bridge using 10 mgs of d-bol taken inthe morning so by night timeyour body dosent sense to much test so it contiuses to make it's own. that is the theory. most people do it so they dont lose size. but you always pay the piper some where down the line. But again most pros dont come off they just cycle from one cycle to the next.

Uhhh....I think your confused with Growth hormone there bud. : /

[Hellmaskbanned]

Simple answer to this.

Your body can't recover after being shutdown if your still useing suppressive compounds.

This is were IGF, Gh, all that yada yada crap comes in.

But IMO this is for Advanced ppplz

[shrpskn]

I don't advocate bridging between cycles, but I have found the use of low-dose Proviron (25-50mg/ed) between cycles to be of great benefit without having a negative impact on me (recovery-wise).
It works excellent when incorporated during PCT and even if ran a bit beyond PCT to help eliminate the crash that I used to experience when coming off a cycle. It also seems to help keep my libido intact as I come off the sauce as well.

[Hellmaskbanned]

I don't advocate bridging between cycles, but I have found the use of low-dose Proviron (25-50mg/ed) between cycles to be of great benefit without having a negative impact on me (recovery-wise).
It works excellent when incorporated during PCT and even if ran a bit beyond PCT to help eliminate the crash that I used to experience when coming off a cycle. It also seems to help keep my libido intact as I come off the sauce as well.

Hey sknshrp, have you ever had a blood test post pct while on proviron?

If so how were the results?

[shrpskn]

Hey sknshrp, have you ever had a blood test post pct while on proviron ?

If so how were the results?

Yes...counts all within normal range.

Lemme do some digging...I'll pull one (lab test) up that I had done 4 weeks post-PCT and rattle some counts off for ya.

As surprising as it sounds, I've found that Proviron tends to be non-suppressive when ran at a low-dose...or it seems to have a positive impact, if anything.

Read AR's profile on Proviron...it's got to be one of my favorite under-rated AAS's out there. If ran appropriately, Proviron has some really beneficial characteristics to it.

[Dizz28]

Uhhh....I think your confused with Growth hormone there bud. : /

No, Normal tesoterone levels are at thier highest in the morning after a good night sleep.

[perfectbeast2001]

agree with shrp and hell. Bridging with AS is just plain dumb. The whole point of PCT/off time is to re establish natty levels. How will you do this when you are adding suppressive compounds (yes even at low dose they are suppressive). IMO your only real bridging options are

IGF, GH, Slin
these would be for advanced users only.

[kfrost06]

I dont believe in bridging either and Primo is a horrible compound to use for bridging, even small amounts will lead to a decrease in gonadotropin levels. Brigdes(if done) should be done with compounds that have little effect on your natural test production, like anavar . IMO, get your bodies' own levels back, give the liver a rest and work out naturally.

[RA]

Personally I would bridge with an hrt dose of test

[Maximus_Pecs]

I saved this aabout three years ago from another site. I bridged twice this way and my natural test levels came back fine and I lost almost no size or strength.

This is a good read on dbol bridging should answer alot of your questions.

D-bol Bridge
I've been reading some of the posts regarding this
bridge and some of them are truly from left-field.
First of, this is a BRIDGE. OK? a B-R-I-D-G-E.

Your LH function and Test levels are supposed
to RECOVER.

Ok, now having said that.
Here's the pharmo-kinetics behind Methandrostenelone,
brand name Dianabol .

10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cosrtisone
by 50-70%.

The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the
benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by
its androgenic mode of action.
Androgens, in case you don't know, increase neuro-muscular
function, thus STRENGTH.

OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind
dianabol's choice as a bridging agent.

When are testosterone levels highest?

Answer: In the AM, thats when.

Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
This is when tesosterone levels are highest.

When are Insulin levels lowest?

Answer: In the AM thats when.

Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
(Also fat, but protein is also being converted
to glucose via glucogenesis)

OK, here is where dball's short half-life works for us
(Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)

Lets take Subject X.

He's in bridging mode.
He has just woken up.
The body is about to release tesosterone, thus
creating a spike.
His insulin levels are low.
His LH and test levels are very low.



He pops 10mgs of dianabol.

Here is where things get interesting.

The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.

The body will be partially fooled.
It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
(above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.

In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one,
thus creating an "inflated" test spike.

Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
RECOVER over time.
Also, dballs anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
in the morning from low insulogenic levels.

HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.

You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
for this bridge to work!!!!

Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.

10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
(Probably less)

5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
LH function is allowed to up-regulate.

Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
thus not allowing LH function to recover.

Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.

The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.

So, here's the scenario summed up:

Beginning: LOW LH and test.

Adding the 10mgs dball.

LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as
testosterone levels are kept at a level which
will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dball's anti-catabolic effects
will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone
reduction)

This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to
INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE
catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!

The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS.
I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore
complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90%
of the way there but the only way you're going
to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF
completely.
Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw.
(In case anybody is wondering.)
The difference is that with anavar you can take it
throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE
once in the AM.

[kfrost06]

Good post Maximus! Where di you get it, I was wondering if it has any references. Also to steal one of your quotes...

"When are testosterone levels highest?

Answer: In the AM, thats when.

Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
This is when tesosterone levels are highest. "

This may be why I wake up with an erection every morning, trying to be funny but also true, I bet it's a good indicator. That does not happen on cycles.

[DVSMASS]

So does anybody know if this would work with Methandienone. This chem is also referred to as dball.

[Swifto]

Simple answer to this.

Your body can't recover after being shutdown if your still useing suppressive compounds.
This is were IGF, Gh, all that yada yada crap comes in.

But IMO this is for Advanced ppplz

This subject is debatable. You cannot recover fully. But some do particially.

[reppedout1]

let me get this straight..after completing a cycle you then go into your pct..after that is when you can start bridging?i'm trying to research this possibility

[kfrost06]

let me get this straight..after completing a cycle you then go into your pct..after that is when you can start bridging?i'm trying to research this possibility

I have never bridged myself, although I have considered it but the theory is if you use a low dose of a steroid that does not suppress your own natural production of test(or has very little suppression of your test) you can do your pct and get your test production back up to pre-cycle(or close to pre-cycle) levels. Using the gear to bridge will prevent/minimize loss of your gains due to the anti-catabolic/anabolic properties and take away the post cycle crash they we all dread. So, in theory, do a PCT and take a bridge(var or dbol ) after your cycle you keep your gains, get your LH and FSH back up which will bring your natural test levels back and now your ready for your next cycle(and a new liver).

[reppedout1]

thanks kfrost!,but i'ma lil confused do you start bridging as soon as you start your pct or right after?

[Maximus_Pecs]

I can't remeber where I got the post form but it was back in 2004. I ususally save good posts when i find them. I'll respond on how it worked for me and how I ran PCT as soon as I get back from the gym.

[perfectbeast2001]

I can't remeber where I got the post form but it was back in 2004. I ususally save good posts when i find them. I'll respond on how it worked for me and how I ran PCT as soon as I get back from the gym.

It does not seem to have any references or scientific backing. So basically to me that says its some "Bro" who has a theory which may or may not be true. I would not risk my endocrine system on this evidence.....
Show me a study proving the "piggy back" theory of Dbol and test release and I will jump stright on the bandwagon!!!!

[Swifto]

I have never bridged myself, although I have considered it but the theory is if you use a low dose of a steroid that does not suppress your own natural production of test(or has very little suppression of your test) you can do your pct and get your test production back up to pre-cycle(or close to pre-cycle) levels. Using the gear to bridge will prevent/minimize loss of your gains due to the anti-catabolic/anabolic properties and take away the post cycle crash they we all dread. So, in theory, do a PCT and take a bridge(var or dbol) after your cycle you keep your gains, get your LH and FSH back up which will bring your natural test levels back and now your ready for your next cycle(and a new liver).

I like the sound of this idea. Some say ganadotropin output can resume when switching to suppressive compounds, some say it wont work. Some from experience, others studies and speculation.

I've seen a few post that recovery is easier when switching from something like a testosterone compounds (Enan, Prop, Cyp etc...), also a 19-Nor, to a compound that wont cause HPTA shutdown almost immediately, like Test and 19-Nor's. LH output may resume when using other compounds. If it down, PCT may be easier. As your not going from NO ganadotropin output, to some, whilst still getting anabolic effects from the other compounds your running.

"fLgAtOr", said it worked with Var. Ran it for a few weeks after his main cycle had finished.

I'm also trying it too, next cycle. With Primo.

What works for one, wont work for another. So, IMHO, dont take one persons word for it. Try it yourself and see with BW done. Nothing is iset in stone.

[kfrost06]

thanks kfrost!,but i'ma lil confused do you start bridging as soon as you start your pct or right after?

I have never bridged but I would imagine that you would actually start a week or two before you start PCT that way you have an even level in your system before the gear in your cycle starts leaving your body, the key to the bridge is to avoid a catabolic crash you get when finishing a cycle so starting at the tail end of your cycle and having even levels going into your pct would be key. Again, I have not done this and someone that has can correct me if I am wrong but that is my understanding of it.

[Maximus_Pecs]

It does not seem to have any references or scientific backing. So basically to me that says its some "Bro" who has a theory which may or may not be true. I would not risk my endocrine system on this evidence.....
Show me a study proving the "piggy back" theory of Dbol and test release and I will jump stright on the bandwagon!!!!

There were references but I have to look and try to find where I put everything. I saved everything is a few word docs and have been through a few computers since then.

It basically plays off the fact that natural test levels are high in the morning. Your body releases ~10mg of natural test in the morning if your HPTA is normal. Of course this ***ends on genetics and age. After a cycle your body is producing almost no test in the morning, and the Dbol if taken first thing in the morning it mimics the natural test production as it dissipates quickly due to a short half life and also is close to your natural dose. If course you won't come back 100% but at least you will not lose a large percentage of gains while waiting for your natural test levels to get to respectable levels.

I bridged between two cycles. After my first cycle of 400mg test E and 400mg of EQ I gained about 25lbs in 16 weeks, and lost about 15 3 months after the cycle. The rest I maintained for a year until I did my second cycle. The second cycle was 500mg test and 75mg tren (each day) for 24 weeks, that was a great cycle and I gained 15 lean lbs of muscle with a really clean diet. After this I went on PCT and started taking 10mg of Dbol every morning for 8 weeks. I kept the diet clean and lost 2lbs 3 months out. I didn’t not touch aas again for 6 months. At the 6 month mark I was down 5 lbs but some was fat as I was limiting carb intake. So looking at that it looks as though I kept ten pounds from both cycles but the more you gain the harder those gains are to keep. Basically if the first cycle you gain 20 and loose 5, it’s much harder to gain 20 on a second cycle and only loose five. A lot of that has to do with the body’s natural set point as far as weight is concerned. The cycle that I went into after this one was 400mg of test and 2.5 IU of GH for 24 weeks. I ate super clean but very low calorie, as I wanted to gain just quality lean mass. I gained 10 lbs. I have not touched AAS for 3 ½ years and before AAS I was 175 15% bf and now I’m at 220 ~12% bf and have a hell of a time getting below 210. I’m sure the GH had something to do with that but a slow increase in mass and a minimal decline is what I believe helped.

One great thing that the bridge did was completely remove the sides of stopping a cycle. I had no ***ression, lethargy, low sex drive etc. I’m NOT saying this is for everyone but I personally liked it and may do it again.

I’m not going to say this is great for everybody but I remember that it was a huge discussion topic on this board back in 03/04 and some very knowledgeable bros made excellent posts on the subject. It would be worth while searching for it here and on Google.

[worldpower]

There were references but I have to look and try to find where I put everything. I saved everything is a few word docs and have been through a few computers since then.

It basically plays off the fact that natural test levels are high in the morning. Your body releases ~10mg of natural test in the morning if your HPTA is normal. Of course this ***ends on genetics and age. After a cycle your body is producing almost no test in the morning, and the Dbol if taken first thing in the morning it mimics the natural test production as it dissipates quickly due to a short half life and also is close to your natural dose. If course you won't come back 100% but at least you will not lose a large percentage of gains while waiting for your natural test levels to get to respectable levels.

I bridged between two cycles. After my first cycle of 400mg test E and 400mg of EQ I gained about 25lbs in 16 weeks, and lost about 15 3 months after the cycle. The rest I maintained for a year until I did my second cycle. The second cycle was 500mg test and 75mg tren (each day) for 24 weeks, that was a great cycle and I gained 15 lean lbs of muscle with a really clean diet. After this I went on PCT and started taking 10mg of Dbol every morning for 8 weeks. I kept the diet clean and lost 2lbs 3 months out. I didn’t not touch aas again for 6 months. At the 6 month mark I was down 5 lbs but some was fat as I was limiting carb intake. So looking at that it looks as though I kept ten pounds from both cycles but the more you gain the harder those gains are to keep. Basically if the first cycle you gain 20 and loose 5, it’s much harder to gain 20 on a second cycle and only loose five. A lot of that has to do with the body’s natural set point as far as weight is concerned. The cycle that I went into after this one was 400mg of test and 2.5 IU of GH for 24 weeks. I ate super clean but very low calorie, as I wanted to gain just quality lean mass. I gained 10 lbs. I have not touched AAS for 3 ½ years and before AAS I was 175 15% bf and now I’m at 220 ~12% bf and have a hell of a time getting below 210. I’m sure the GH had something to do with that but a slow increase in mass and a minimal decline is what I believe helped.

One great thing that the bridge did was completely remove the sides of stopping a cycle. I had no ***ression, lethargy, low sex drive etc. I’m NOT saying this is for everyone but I personally liked it and may do it again.

I’m not going to say this is great for everybody but I remember that it was a huge discussion topic on this board back in 03/04 and some very knowledgeable bros made excellent posts on the subject. It would be worth while searching for it here and on Google.

Did you use anything else like clomid during the bridging?

[vadim_b1]

I saved this aabout three years ago from another site. I bridged twice this way and my natural test levels came back fine and I lost almost no size or strength.

This is a good read on dbol bridging should answer alot of your questions.

D-bol Bridge
I've been reading some of the posts regarding this
bridge and some of them are truly from left-field.
First of, this is a BRIDGE. OK? a B-R-I-D-G-E.

Your LH function and Test levels are supposed
to RECOVER.

Ok, now having said that.
Here's the pharmo-kinetics behind Methandrostenelone,
brand name Dianabol .

10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cosrtisone
by 50-70%.

The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the
benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by
its androgenic mode of action.
Androgens, in case you don't know, increase neuro-muscular
function, thus STRENGTH.

OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind
dianabol's choice as a bridging agent.

When are testosterone levels highest?

Answer: In the AM, thats when.

Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
This is when tesosterone levels are highest.

When are Insulin levels lowest?

Answer: In the AM thats when.

Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
(Also fat, but protein is also being converted
to glucose via glucogenesis)

OK, here is where dball's short half-life works for us
(Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)

Lets take Subject X.

He's in bridging mode.
He has just woken up.
The body is about to release tesosterone, thus
creating a spike.
His insulin levels are low.
His LH and test levels are very low.



He pops 10mgs of dianabol.

Here is where things get interesting.

The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.

The body will be partially fooled.
It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
(above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.

In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one,
thus creating an "inflated" test spike.

Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
RECOVER over time.
Also, dballs anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
in the morning from low insulogenic levels.

HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.

You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
for this bridge to work!!!!

Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.

10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
(Probably less)

5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
LH function is allowed to up-regulate.

Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
thus not allowing LH function to recover.

Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.

The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.

So, here's the scenario summed up:

Beginning: LOW LH and test.

Adding the 10mgs dball.

LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as
testosterone levels are kept at a level which
will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dball's anti-catabolic effects
will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone
reduction)

This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to
INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE
catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!

The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS.
I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore
complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90%
of the way there but the only way you're going
to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF
completely.
Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw.
(In case anybody is wondering.)
The difference is that with anavar you can take it
throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE
once in the AM.

The logic is flawed. Simply because it doesnt matter how long actual d-bol stays in your system, it could be 1 hour and it still wouldnt matter, because the METHYL ESTRADIOL which dbol aromatizes into, lingers around for quite a while. And that compound folks, is suppressive - its much more potent than regular estradiol.

[con3151]

Thanks maximus for ur ACCURATE answer to my question. Your information has helped me out and the best way to find out is to try it.

[Swifto]

The logic is flawed. Simply because it doesnt matter how long actual d-bol stays in your system, it could be 1 hour and it still wouldnt matter, because the METHYL ESTRADIOL which dbol aromatizes into, lingers around for quite a while. And that compound folks, is suppressive - its much more potent than regular estradiol.

Its also called E2.

[vadim_b1]

only methyl e2 is much more potent.

[Maximus_Pecs]

The logic is flawed. Simply because it doesnt matter how long actual d-bol stays in your system, it could be 1 hour and it still wouldnt matter, because the METHYL ESTRADIOL which dbol aromatizes into, lingers around for quite a while. And that compound folks, is suppressive - its much more potent than regular estradiol.

Your correct about the amortization but keep in mind that everyones react in differnt ways to differnt forms of estrogine, and we all naturally have differnt levels of estrogens. Also running a low 10-20mg of Nolva could take care of the binding of the compound. I'm NOT saying this is great for everyone but it did mitigate the sides of coming off and allow me to kepe most of my gains. I really don't think its wise to go from one cycle to another with this, GH and slin are the way to go there but if you want to minimize sides and loss of gains I think it has merit. Just search this site for dbol bridge and quite a few threads will come up.

[Maximus_Pecs]

Did you use anything else like clomid during the bridging?

I used Nolva during PCT and a small dose during the bridge. Keep in mind my goal was to not lose gains vs just going right back into a cycle.