Anavar/HCG VS Tren/prop/proviron

[bor]

Which would cut you up better?

1. Anavar at 100 mg for 8 weeks (with the HCG agains HPTA supression)

OR

2. tren acetate 75 mg EOD/ prop 200 mg EOD/ proviron for 8 weeks


I know the 2nd one would give you more muscle, and I also know the 1st would have less sides and be a lot less harsh on the body, BUT WHICH ONE WOULD CUT YOU UP MORE?

Money aside!

(with ECA, diet, cardio, all perfect blah blah....)

[testisbest]

lower the prop to 100mg EOD and up the tren to 100mg EOD will give you what you're looking for.

[bor]

Lest just stick to the 2 cycles at hand k?

[testisbest]

Lest just stick to the 2 cycles at hand k?

I only made the suggestions because IMO the 200mg of test will still cause bloat and the tren won't be enough to give you the desired effects with all of that test. If you only want to cut up then I would run test at 50mg a day and the same with the tren.
But to answer your question, if it's between the 2 cycles that you layed out then I'd pick cycle #1.

[jagdpanther]

I only made the suggestions because IMO the 200mg of test will still cause bloat and the tren won't be enough to give you the desired effects with all of that test. If you only want to cut up then I would run test at 50mg a day and the same with the tren.
But to answer your question, if it's between the 2 cycles that you layed out then I'd pick cycle #1.

I think test is best is right. To little tren to much test p.

Unless you're already pretty lean, I don't think the var will help much aside from bulge your viens. You will feel stronger in the gym. Doing HCG usually bumps up my acne a couple of notches.

[jagdpanther]

After thinking about it, of the two options i'd go with the second only because i think it would have a greater anticatabolic effect on my muscle if I were dieting heavily.

[bor]

testisbest I wasnt't trying to be a smartass now that I read my post it sounds cocky!

thanks

When I think about it you're right - I just wanted to save money that way because I get the prop a millions times cheaper then the tren !

Thanks everybody!

100 mg of prop and a 100 mg of tren EOD it is!

[bor]

If you only want to cut up then I would run test at 50mg a day and the same with the tren .
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I still think I'd get some lean muscle out of it, don't you agree?

[bor]

100 mg of prop and a 100 mg of tren EOD it is!

Can I change this to ED midcycle?

I might be having a big cash flow coming in a month or so.....

How long would it take for 'the cycle to start being stronger' (dunno how to better express myself)? A couple of days I suposse?

[testisbest]

I'm running trenA for my first time right now and I inject 50mg ED. I noticed the effects after a week. I just can't sleep at all. But yea, you can switch to every day injects mid cycle.

Do you mean how long until you see results? If so then I'd say 6 to 8 days.

[J*U*icEd]

first of all the first thing you mentioned isn't even a cycle... i don't understand why you would use HCG with anavar , which isn't even that suppressive... if anything use the HCG with the other cycle you have up there... HCG and anavar is not a cycle....

[bor]

first of all the first thing you mentioned isn't even a cycle... i don't understand why you would use HCG with anavar, which isn't even that suppressive... if anything use the HCG with the other cycle you have up there... HCG and anavar is not a cycle....

mkey, read up on anavar a bit

[bor]

I'm running trenA for my first time right now and I inject 50mg ED. I noticed the effects after a week. I just can't sleep at all. But yea, you can switch to every day injects mid cycle.

Do you mean how long until you see results? If so then I'd say 6 to 8 days.

Oh yeah I know about the effects I used it b4, I just wanted to know about the mid cycle ED thing, thanks

[bor]

mkey, read up on anavar a bit

good lord I sound like an a$$hole today sorry

anavar is more supresive then you'd think bro

[bor]

But yea, you can switch to every day injects mid cycle.

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But I meant switching to ED injects with the same amount of gear as EOD, so doubling the amount actually, sounds ok?

[jagdpanther]

Tren kicks butt. Even if you decide to keep the test higher i don't think you need 200mg test ED for cutting.

As for EOD vs ED injections with such short esters I would rather shoot test prop ED@100mg then 200mg EOD. After the first 24 hours there is a large decline in test levels from prop. alot of people have success with prop EOd but i think you'll have a smoother ride ED. Same with the tren.

[J*U*icEd]

read up on anavar a bit huh?!... anavar is one of the least suppressive compounds...

[J*U*icEd]

Anavar (oxandrolone) is not very toxic, not very androgenic , mildly anabolic , and pretty mild on the body´s HPTA (Hypothalamic-Testicular-Pituitary-Axis). Those are its 4 major points, and I´d like to examine each one a bit further; as usual, gym-rumors and internet conjecture has made this steroid the subject of many misconceptions.

*taken from the main page*

[bor]

Reading up on something doens't mean read an article from steroid .com.

Anavar will shut you down. Especially at 100 mg for 2 months. Not hard, but enough too imapct your sex drive or di++ performance a bit - in any case enough to add some test or HCG .

No need to get insulted.

[J*U*icEd]

believe me when i tell you a have book shelves full of steroid material, endocrinology material, and internal medicine books...
im certainly not insulted at all... i posted that b/c it was the quickest thing i could find... there is no need to be ignorant... compared to the test/tren /proviron cycle you have posted... anavar /HCG is not even close to as suppressive, and isn't even a complete cycle in my book... anavar is one of the safest compounds to take in terms of sides effects... anyone on this board will tell you

i have been registered on this board since 2002 with a different user name... and been a guest reading this board many many months before that... and the steroid profiles are no where near as detailed and in ***th as the literature that i have on hand

[bor]

lets just say we agree to disagree about the supresivness of anavar and call ita day shall we?

[trenzbyotch]

just curious, you can get anavar cheaper then tren ? most of us can't.. homebrewed tren is cheap and very effective and easy to obtain. pm me if you need to.. however, tren at 75mg/day with test at 50mg per day would be ideal for what you are looking for no doubt in my mind what so ever. but hey it's your decision to make and whatever you go with good cycling me friend.. oops, just noticed you from croatia, so tren may in fact be more expensive harder to get.. sorry bout that..

[kynetguy]

I would go with the anavar . In already lean people, Anavar has mild fat burning properties as well, so it will help with the cutting.

at 100mg /day, how do you plan to break up your doses?

Are you considering anything like Liv52, Milk Thistle for liver protection?

[fabry]

if you can:
1-8 prop 140-160mg eod
1-7 tren a 100.120mg eod
1-8 var 50-60mg ed

how many cycle have you done before?