to tell or not to tell?

**4on1off** · 04-13-2007, 07:00 PM

yesterday i suffered a shoulder injury during benchpress. the doctor said it looks like it could be a torn rotator cuff in the x-ray and a mri set for monday will be nessary to know for sure. should i need surgery do i need to tell the doc im on cycle? this is my first cycle so how to handle this situation is unknown to me.
just a few details....
6' tall
260lbs heavy
40 yrs old
i just finished week 4 of a 6 week cyce of omn 250, fina, with alittle d-bol on the front end of the cycle.

i hate to drop out in mid cycle but what else can i do? unless im advised otherwise i plan on stopping the injections and not telling the doc im on cycle.

any advice on my situation?

**gigem** · 04-13-2007, 07:21 PM

tough call i would tell mine but i know him well. you may want to check into it i wouldnt think aas would affect any thing in any way but im no doctor good luck

**jagdpanther** · 04-13-2007, 07:24 PM

Last April 30th I had the pleasure of giving myself a distal rupture of my right bicep tendon while on a date. I was in the middle of a cycle. After seeing a specialist my surgery was scheduled for May 17th. During that time i cut all my doses down or out to just trt levels of test. After the operation I stayed on HGH and a relatively small dose of test. I may have introduced some deca as well, its a little hazy now and i don't feel like looking it up. Deca is supposed to promote connective tissue growth. Test i believe affects it negatively. My surgery was pretty intensive as they had to drill a whole through my radius and thread my tendon threw it.
obviously my training was negativley impacted and there were many standards that were not an option for me. I didn't see the point in continueing my cycle full speed but thought that putting my body through pct at the same time would be to many tramas at once.
i think the AAS and HGH were beneficial to me at the time and still think that way today.

in the end though only you can determine the extent of your injury and what to do with your doses. Some people are adiment about letting things heal naturally. I think putting my body through a catabolic state while its trying to heal would have been counter productive.

**jagdpanther** · 04-13-2007, 07:31 PM

oh by the way i told my doctor - to him it didn't make much a difference although he told the doctor who doped me before the operation. That guy gave me a long speach, spitting his words as he spoke. Saying stuff like "i hate steroids . My son plays football and has used them.Who knows what the long term consequences are" i swear he was jabbing me with the needle and twisting it on purpose as he explained all this to me. In addition to the IV, he injected some special venom into my trap that paralyzed my right arm for about 12 hours so it wouldn't jerk involuntariliy, both during and after the operation.

**gixxerboy1** · 04-13-2007, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by jagdpanther

oh by the way i told my doctor - to him it didn't make much a difference although he told the doctor who doped me before the operation. That guy gave me a long speach, spitting his words as he spoke. Saying stuff like "i hate steroids . My son plays football and has used them.Who knows what the long term consequences are" i swear he was jabbing me with the needle and twisting it on purpose as he explained all this to me. In addition to the IV, he injected some special venom into my trap that paralyzed my right arm for about 12 hours so it wouldn't jerk involuntariliy, both during and after the operation.

yea that's a nerve block.

I had surgeries while on and it was an issue at all

BG · 04-13-2007, 08:37 PM

If you come off, I recomend tappering down because of the fact your not training anymore. Should help keep gains and lessen the severity of your body crashing. Make sure to keep diet up, maybe keeping carbs down, protien high so you dont pile on bf from not training anymore. Would be a good idea to break leg workouts up into quads/hams, making your routine quads/abs/light cardio on monday, wednesday hams/calves/light cardio, friday heavy cardio/abs................or something like that.

**Selene** · 04-13-2007, 08:59 PM

it is very hard decision only you can make, only you know how well you know your physician. I wish you speedy recovery and good luck

**Rickson** · 04-13-2007, 10:32 PM

I see no upside to telling your doctor. It should make no difference in treatment and there isn't any real interaction issues. Assuming you are using insurance to pay for the operation, there can be a huge downside if anything gets put on your chart. Insurance companies have a right to that information and it is not a confidentiality issue. It won't be a problem with your current insurance, but if you have to change jobs it could be a problem down the road. You gain nothing in this case by telling your doctor.

**4on1off** · 04-14-2007, 10:55 AM

looks like i need to tapper off on the gear, maintain diet, work legs when i can and stay quiet.
thanks guys

**5x10** · 04-14-2007, 11:46 AM

tell him if your going under the knife
it would be stupid not to

**Mogamedogz** · 04-14-2007, 11:56 AM

HELL YES... Dont be stupid.

Worst case scenerio, you change doctors after the surgery.

Why take any chances?? If you are getting operated on... DEF let your dr know about EVERYTHING you have been taking. Why risk it? What is the upside?

**Maldorf** · 04-14-2007, 11:26 PM

I wouldnt tell them about your AAS usage. Just be sure to be off for at least 3 weeks or so before the surgery so that most of it has cleared your system. i am pretty sure that the AAS can increase your chance of bleeding in surgery, so you dont want to be juiced up during that. I just had 3 hernias patched up, and was off my cycle for about 4 weeks prior to my surgery. I continued to use HGH before and after surgery, and did 250mg of test enanthate /wk after surgery. I healed up pretty good and all went well.
I think the main thing to be worried about here is increased bleeding.

**jagdpanther** · 04-15-2007, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

yea that's a nerve block.

I had surgeries while on and it was an issue at all

That is some potent stuff. I had out pataint surgry, out of the hospital the same day, anyway I took a short walk in the afternnon and was wonderring what the hell was bouncing off my chest with each stride. i looked down and of course it was my arm in the sling - but i didn't know that before becasue couldn't feel my arm at all. My not sound that weird but it was quite a trip to experiance it.

In the end I see no benefit to having told my doctor and if i were to do it again i wouldn't say a word to them about it. God only knows if its on a medical record somewhere now. How will that effect my insurance or health care down the road? who knows?

**gixxerboy1** · 04-15-2007, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by jagdpanther

That is some potent stuff. I had out pataint surgry, out of the hospital the same day, anyway I took a short walk in the afternnon and was wonderring what the hell was bouncing off my chest with each stride. i looked down and of course it was my arm in the sling - but i didn't know that before becasue couldn't feel my arm at all. My not sound that weird but it was quite a trip to experiance it.

In the end I see no benefit to having told my doctor and if i were to do it again i wouldn't say a word to them about it. God only knows if its on a medical record somewhere now. How will that effect my insurance or health care down the road? who knows?

I had it when i had a shoulder surgery. The doc was telling me we were about to go in. I told him the anesthesia wasn't working. I didn't feel it. He looks at me and goes oh no? And grabs a piece of my skin on my arm and pulls and twist. I couldn't tell he was touching me.

**Johny-too-small** · 04-15-2007, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Mogamedogz

HELL YES... Dont be stupid.

Worst case scenerio, you change doctors after the surgery.

Why take any chances?? If you are getting operated on... DEF let your dr know about EVERYTHING you have been taking. Why risk it? What is the upside?

So what if you change doctors?

**4on1off** · 04-15-2007, 12:54 PM

in a small town good doctors are hard to come by so when you find one you keep him, besides, he wants to put me on hrt! because of some problems i discussed with him before i messed up the shoulder. so as you can see changing doctors is not a good option for me. another problem with small towns is word travels fast even if is not supposed to, so not to tell it the goal here.

i will be traveling two hours to a large city for the surgery so if i am forced to tell anybody it will be the doctor doing the surgery out of town.

i have not had an injection for 4 days so i decided to just drop the gear and let my system clean out till surgery.

**Lexed** · 04-15-2007, 01:00 PM

ya good thinking of droping the gear until after surgery. Dont know what that could do if your juicing and they add pain killers/ anesthesia. That would deff mess up your body.

**5x10** · 04-15-2007, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by 4on1off

in a small town good doctors are hard to come by so when you find one you keep him, besides, he wants to put me on hrt! because of some problems i discussed with him before i messed up the shoulder. so as you can see changing doctors is not a good option for me. another problem with small towns is word travels fast even if is not supposed to, so not to tell it the goal here.

i will be traveling two hours to a large city for the surgery so if i am forced to tell anybody it will be the doctor doing the surgery out of town.

i have not had an injection for 4 days so i decided to just drop the gear and let my system clean out till surgery.

if anyone finds out,and you didnt mention it to anyone else, sue the doctor
hes not allowed to tell a soul and is liable

**therecanonlybe1** · 04-15-2007, 04:01 PM

nah..it doesn't effect anything, unless you currently have any medical problems like liver damage

**Lacrosse2552** · 04-15-2007, 04:27 PM

what do you have to lose if you tell the doc? it is confidential and will create less of a chance of complications during the surgury.
also 5x10 had a good point, if anyone finds out you can sue the doc
good luck bro