cutting vs mass

[fkn9381]

alright, i'm

5'10"
165lb's
6-8% bf

I'm getting on in a few weeks, but i need advice.
Originally i was planning a stack of

D-ball wks 1-4
EQ wks 1-10
Test enanth wks 1-10
chlomid (post cycle)

but i'm worried that it's just gonna get me alot of mass then i'll lose alot after. Though in previous cycles that has not happened, but i have not been on anything as androgenic (strong) as dball and test ( i only been on relatively weaker shit like deca, etc...). Also, with the d-ball being so hard on your liver, i don't want to add anything that will cause more stress.

My deal is i want another 15-20 lb's, but of quality, lean muscle and i am patient and not in a rush. so i'm thinking of dropping the test enanth and inputting winstrol-depot
like,

D-ball wks 1-4
winst-dep wks 1-8
EQ wks 1-10
chlomid (post cycle)

what i need to know is, is this redundant with the EQ with the Winst? or would it be a good idea? any other suggestions would be appreciated.

[Rickson]

Well you just said you were worried about your liver but now you want to add another 17 AA. Doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't think exchanging test for winny is necessarily a great option. You should be able to keep quality gains from that cycle with a proper post cycle regimene. Use an anti-e if you are worried about bloat. I like your first cycle better and that is the one I would choose.

[Big Rush]

Whats up nkf, havin' fun nawlins??? I agree with rickson, stick with the original plan...test hould be the base of any good cycle IMO...You could throw some winny in the last 5-6 weeks or so...

D-ball wks 1-4
EQ wks 1-10
Test enanth wks 1-10
Winny 5-12 50mg ED
clomid 13-16(post cycle)

[canadian_mofo]

i dunno big rush doing 4 weeks of dbol then 8 weeks of winny like its shown in the cycle you posted would be killer on the liver. You could do winny the last 4 weeks of your cycle up to week 13 then there would at least be a decent break inbetween the two 17AA's. A better choice might be to end with prop though instead of winny.

[kaoz&zen]

for quality gains why not just rn EQ and T.E. for a good 10-12 solid pounds then work on keeping that untilyouare ready to hit next cycle up and if u keep all that size, maybe run a cycle with fina,winny, test, or test/winny/EQ orFina/winny/EQ togain another 7-8 pounds and keep your diet strict and lose what little bodyfat you have. You said you have time,weellthen take it and use two cycles to get that quality, KEEPABLE mass.

[Whiteyebrowe]

based on your goals switch the dbol for winny