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04-20-2007, 07:10 AM #1Associate Member
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dnp
well it is my 3rd day of dnp 250mg, first day 500mg ed after for 15 days. Woke up this mourning in a pool of sweat. Hard time breathing already.
Have done 1 cycle of dnp before 200mg ed for 21 days.
Been 40's for the past 2 months now that i start it desides its going to be 70's for the next 5 days wich is going to be
stats 5'9 215 15% bf
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04-20-2007, 09:40 AM #2
you did 500mgs just the first day right?
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04-20-2007, 09:43 AM #3Associate Member
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Originally Posted by 5x10
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04-20-2007, 09:47 AM #4
That's called an occupational hazzard!
Get a fan or two, and put more pillow cases on so that when you wake up you can strip one off. Think of it like 'Strip Sets', but in stead of plates you'll be removing cotton.
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04-20-2007, 09:48 AM #5
i tried 400mgs a day for a week and i didnt complete it(quit day 6)
felt like dogshit, almost like i had the flu, no energy, hard breathing, constant sweating. If I ate, i paid for it in sides
my bed sheets were also soaked, it freaked my girlfriend out
just stay cool, eat fruits, and dont work out
if it becomes an ass whipping, cut back to 200mgs a day
bad thing is, once it becomes bad, it will be bad for at least a day due to the half life
if i do it again, it will be 200mgs a day for an extended period of time, how were your results on that
if its bad now, only take 200mgs a day, maybe every other time take 400mgs
good luck, i would like to know how you lean up on it
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04-20-2007, 09:50 AM #6Associate Member
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Originally Posted by magic32
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04-20-2007, 09:53 AM #7Associate Member
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Originally Posted by 5x10
My results were good on 200mg ed for 21 days. The sides were just uncomfortable but very barable.Last edited by jackman22; 04-20-2007 at 10:03 AM.
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04-20-2007, 10:00 AM #8Originally Posted by jackman22
my abs and quads came in very nice
lost a belt loop
can honestly say that i was in the best shape of my life
and my endurance was through the roof
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04-20-2007, 10:03 AM #9Associate Member
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Originally Posted by 5x10
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04-20-2007, 10:05 AM #10Originally Posted by jackman22
M.
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04-20-2007, 10:08 AM #11Originally Posted by jackman22
i figured my body was getting a workout just sitting there
i think its like your body is constantly jogging, 24 hr a day
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04-20-2007, 10:11 AM #12Associate Member
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Originally Posted by magic32
i hate having the constant dry mouth hehe its like being thirsty no matter how much i drink!Last edited by jackman22; 04-20-2007 at 10:14 AM.
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04-20-2007, 10:16 AM #13Banned
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You guys talk like you WEREN'T expecting those sides? it's DNP it's not called and inferno drug for no reason!
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04-20-2007, 10:18 AM #14Associate Member
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Originally Posted by SVTMuscle
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04-20-2007, 10:20 AM #15Banned
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I'm trying it again in a few weeks, i tried it before but the potency was increddibly low
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04-20-2007, 10:27 AM #16Associate Member
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Originally Posted by SVTMuscle
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04-20-2007, 05:54 PM #17Banned
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Originally Posted by magic32
And I thought people took taurine while on clen because clen de-pletes taurine, particularly in the heart, and supplementing with tauring is expected to be cardioprotective, no?
Maybe you're confusing taurine with glycerol.
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04-20-2007, 06:04 PM #18Banned
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Originally Posted by jackman22
I think underdosing is common problem among DNP sources. There are only a couple that I trust for accuracy and consistency.
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04-20-2007, 06:58 PM #19Banned
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i love that guy so much
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04-21-2007, 10:32 AM #20Originally Posted by Conciliator
Secondly, as you read you’ll probably learn that Taurine is responsible for all of those heart healthy effects due to its fluid governing abilities, not in spite of them.
Thirdly, sure, I’ll point you to some references. What good are declarations without the wherewithal to defend them?
It’s good to learn NEW things, the trick is to be able to understand and assimilate such information.
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Osmoregulation - in biology, maintenance by an organism of an internal balance between water and dissolved materials [PRIMARILY ELECTROLYTES] regardless of environmental conditions.
- Encyclopedia Britannica
(http://www.britannica.com/eb/article...osmoregulation)
“Metabolic actions of taurine include: bile acid conjugation, detoxification, membrane stabilization, osmoregulation, and modulation of cellular calcium levels.”
- Institute of Pharmacology, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH),University of Zurich, Switzerland
(http://www.indiana.edu/~pietsch/taurine-epilepsy.html)
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Edema - Abnormal accumulation of fluids within tissues resulting in swelling.
Taurine - A "non-essential" amino acid, useful to people who suffer from atherosclerosis, heart disorders, edema…”
http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T213249.html#G859
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Taurine acts by a different mechanism. Patients with CHF often have swelling caused by excessive fluid buildup in the tissues, which puts additional pressure on the heart and accelerates CHF. Diuretics, one of the standard pharmaceutical therapies in CHF, are basically designed to flush excess fluid from the body. Taurine, through well-documented pathways, has a similar effect and has been shown to help reduce fluid levels, reducing the workload on the heart (Schaffer SW et al 2000).http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_c...failure_01.htm
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During taurine treatment, the study participants showed highly significant improvement in breathlessness, heart palpitations, fluid buildup, and heart x ray, as well as standard scales of heart failure severity.
http://healthlibrary.epnet.com/GetCo...chunkiid=21793
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USE OF THE TERMS "THOUGHT" AND "MAY" THOUGH NOT DEFINITIVE ARE STILL BASED WITHIN THE CONFINES FO THE STUDY RESULTS.
SEE PAGE # 4
Dietary Supplements
Dietary supplements are often recommended by physicians and renal dietitians (National Kidney Foundation 2001e). Their recommendations are guided by the results of blood tests that you will be required to take regularly as part of monitoring your condition and treatment results. Always speak with your physician or renal dietitian before using or adding any supplements or herbal products.
Taurine. Taurine is abundant in the brain, heart, gallbladder, and kidneys and plays an important role in health and disease in these organs. Taurine is an amino acid that has been shown to protect against experimentally induced lipid peroxidation of the renal glomerular and tubular cells and may alleviate tubular disorders such as glomerular impairment (Trachtman et al. 1996). It is also thought to lower blood pressure by balancing the ratio of sodium to potassium in the blood. Taurine may also regulate the increased nervous system activity that can contribute to high blood pressure. According to Franconi et al. (1995), some people with Type I diabetes appear to be deficient in the amino acid taurine.
http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-065b.shtml
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BB’ER AND NATURAL/WHOLISTIC SUPPLEMENT APPLICATIONS:
Aids electrolyte balance and proper utilization of sodium, potassium, calcium and magnesium.
http://www.nutrabio.com/Products/taurine.htm
What Do They Do? Lots of things. One theory of aging holds that we age largely because of free radical oxidative damage; from the “rusting” of our body’s systems (much like an apple that “oxidizes” if you slice it and leave it out in the air). This oxidation limits the body’s ability to function optimally. Vitamin C, E, selenium, zinc and Co-enzyme Q-10, are all powerful antioxidants that control damage by “squelching” free radicals before they can do their mischief. The B-vitamins, B-6, B-12 and folic acid push down dangerous levels of a compound called homocysteine, which is a strong risk factor—stronger than cholesterol in causing heart disease. Choline and inositol help prevent fat buildup in the liver. Chromium helps insulin do its job better. L-taurine helps prevent fluid accumulation and water retention by keeping excess sodium out of the cells, which contributes to our antioxidant defenses, reinforcing the immune system, strengthening the heart muscle.http://www.clublongevity.com/supplements.asp
So essentially, everything you know about Taurine’s heart protective abilities emanates from its governance of fluid levels and the minerals within them.
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04-21-2007, 02:18 PM #21Associate Member
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okay day 4 now noticable fat loss off arms and chest (or in my head) same weight but noticable water retention in my stomach. Getting really hot even with 2 fans on me at night. Seem to sweat more while laying down.
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04-21-2007, 09:37 PM #22Originally Posted by jackman22
Anytime something is against your skin (clothing, mattress, girlfriend, etc.) it necessarily causes some form of heat retention, while simultaneously preventing optimal ventilation.
But take heart, a few more days in and you'll become so inured that you won't even remember what it's like to not be in a state of constant heat exhaustion.
Credit the body's highly efficient adaptability to both good and bad states of being.
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04-21-2007, 11:34 PM #23Banned
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I appreciate the references. The evidence seems to be limited in scope to congestive heart failure. As with many supplements, extrapolations to healthy populations often don't hold, though they invite further research. I also place much more stock in the original papers and abstracts (pubmed) than in second hand reports, since key information often gets left out (for example, limitations in scope).
Originally Posted by magic32
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum
I also looked up the full text of this recent review: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum. They have a paragraph on osmoregulation. While it's clear that taurine is involved in osmoregulation, I think it's still very questionable what the practical significance would be, if any, from supplemental taurine in a nonpathological state.
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04-21-2007, 11:41 PM #24Associate Member
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Originally Posted by magic32
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04-23-2007, 09:13 AM #25Originally Posted by jackman22
keep us posted
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04-23-2007, 09:46 AM #26Associate Member
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Originally Posted by 5x10Last edited by jackman22; 04-23-2007 at 09:57 AM.
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04-23-2007, 10:02 AM #27Originally Posted by jackman22
Keep a cool wet washcloth on hand, and stock up on Gatorade. Although supplement tabs help (Taurine, Pot, Mag, etc.) fast-acting liquid drinks are superior for this application. You should be fairly well acclimated by now. Are you increasing the dosage again before extinction?
Also, I trust you're taking a multi-vit/min at least 3x daily, as the constant sweating leeches these from the system.
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04-23-2007, 10:10 AM #28Originally Posted by Conciliator
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04-23-2007, 10:14 AM #29Associate Member
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Originally Posted by magic32
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04-23-2007, 03:14 PM #30Associate Member
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My friend who is doing it droped back down to 250mg. couldnt handle the 500 mg ed. Im still in it for the long run. Must of had 6 big gatorade bottles today.
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04-23-2007, 05:57 PM #31Junior Member
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Wow i'm curious as to how much weight you will lose, but no need to weight yourself until your done with the cycle and the bloat goes down.
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04-23-2007, 08:35 PM #32Originally Posted by jackman22
you will be shredded
i couldnt do it, (400mgs of powder a day), for a week
it gives me a bad case of puss-idis
good luck to you
keep us posted
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04-23-2007, 09:35 PM #33Associate Member
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Originally Posted by vein5
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04-23-2007, 09:37 PM #34Associate Member
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Originally Posted by 5x10
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Originally Posted by 5x10
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04-24-2007, 07:13 AM #36Associate Member
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*update*
Getting used to the heat a little better.... Well either that or because its 20 deg cooler then yesterday. Yesterday i started getting really bad sugar cravings as if i had the munchies hehe.
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04-24-2007, 07:17 AM #37
yeah carb cravings are the worst
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Originally Posted by Snrfmaster
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04-24-2007, 07:37 AM #39
[QUOTE=magic32]Firstly, you should note that Taurine is quite multi-faceted. Thus you are correct in believing that its properties encompass many areas of cardiovascular health.
Secondly, as you read you’ll probably learn that Taurine is responsible for all of those heart healthy effects due to its fluid governing abilities, not in spite of them.
Thirdly, sure, I’ll point you to some references. What good are declarations without the wherewithal to defend them?
It’s good to learn NEW things, the trick is to be able to understand and assimilate such information.
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Very nice vocab, makes a man sound much smarter.
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04-24-2007, 07:41 AM #40Originally Posted by jackman22
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