2nd Cycle Critique

[hippie1171]

Stats are in my profile
1st Cycle: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=253270

Week 1-6: Dbol @ 50 mg/ED
Week 1-12: Test E @ 500 mg/wk
Week 1-12: Deca @ 500 mg/wk
Week 9-12: Winny @ 50 mg/ED
Week 1-12: Arimidex @ .5 mg/EOD

Week 16-18: HCG @ 500 IU/ED
Starting Week 16:
Day 1: Clomid @ 300mg
Day 2-11: Clomid @ 100mg
Day 12-21: Clomid @ 50mg

I searched and searched but couldn't find exactly when to start the HCG.

Please Critique.

Thanks,
HIPPIE1171

[kfrost06]

Looks like a very good cycle where you WILL grow. I am curious why you are waiting 4 weeks to start your PCT, I think 3 weeks is better. Also, I would run the test for 1 more week because the deca will last longer in your system then the test and you'd be better off having a little tes in you going into your PCT. GL

[hippie1171]

ill finish at the end of week 12. that means wk 13, 14, 15 off, then start PCT at 16. so im waiting 3 full weeks to start PCT. should i only wait 2?

[hippie1171]

bump!

[GoingPro]

I wouldn't run 500 mg's of the deca. A ratio of 500 test to 300 deca is better. 500 test to 400 deca should be fine too. Better to run more test. Just my opinion.

[C_Bino]

I wouldn't run 500 mg's of the deca. A ratio of 500 test to 300 deca is better. 500 test to 400 deca should be fine too. Better to run more test. Just my opinion.

Why is that? This is a fairly old school train of thought. In fact you would be fine to run test at 250mg per week and deca at 1000mg per week if you wanted. Really no magic ratio at all.

Anyways, besides that I wouldnt change much but run the winny until week 14 up until the day before PCT. I would probably cut deca one week short of Test E as well since it takes longer to clear outta your system, that way everything clears around the same time and leads you right into PCT. So stop deca 1 week before test, then after the last shot of test run winny for another 2 weeks and then start PCT the next day, also just run dbol for 5 weeks, really just using it for a kickstart so you should be fine after 5 weeks and for me hepatotoxicity is a concern, especially considering you are also running winny in the same cycle.
So I would do this
1-12 Test E 500mg
1-11 Deca 500mg
1-5 D-Bol 40mg
10-14 Winny 50mg

PCT needs work. I think you should run an AI along with the SERM. Arimidex is a good choice at .5mg ed for 4 weeks. Then run the serm for a week or two past the AI (I prefer nolva to clomid though, @20mg ed). HCG you can shoot ed or eod around 500iu per day for a couple weeks, many different ways to use HCG and none have really seemed to proved better than others imo.

[GoingPro]

Why is that? This is a fairly old school train of thought. In fact you would be fine to run test at 250mg per week and deca at 1000mg per week if you wanted. Really no magic ratio at all.

Anyways, besides that I wouldnt change much but run the winny until week 14 up until the day before PCT. I would probably cut deca one week short of Test E as well since it takes longer to clear outta your system, that way everything clears around the same time and leads you right into PCT. So stop deca 1 week before test, then after the last shot of test run winny for another 2 weeks and then start PCT the next day, also just run dbol for 5 weeks, really just using it for a kickstart so you should be fine after 5 weeks and for me hepatotoxicity is a concern, especially considering you are also running winny in the same cycle.
So I would do this
1-12 Test E 500mg
1-11 Deca 500mg
1-5 D-Bol 40mg
10-14 Winny 50mg

PCT needs work. I think you should run an AI along with the SERM. Arimidex is a good choice at .5mg ed for 4 weeks. Then run the serm for a week or two past the AI (I prefer nolva to clomid though, @20mg ed). HCG you can shoot ed or eod around 500iu per day for a couple weeks, many different ways to use HCG and none have really seemed to proved better than others imo.

For me, if I run the same amount of deca as I do test, my sex drive is effected. I've experimented with it. Might be placebo, but I don't think it is. When I run less deca than test I am a beast, but if the ratio is even I am affected.

[taiboxa]

I wouldn't run 500 mg's of the deca. A ratio of 500 test to 300 deca is better. 500 test to 400 deca should be fine too. Better to run more test. Just my opinion.

your posts are very.. parrot like.
Before you make anymore posts that brilliantly display your ignorance i would encourage you to read up a lil on the subject of aas.
Thanks.

[goose]

your posts are very.. parrot like.
Before you make anymore posts that brilliantly display your ignorance i would encourage you to read up a lil on the subject of aas.
Thanks.

He is 180 at 16% 5 10....

[Snrf]

He is 180 at 16% 5 10....

after 4 cycles.


*Not a flame...an observation*

[hippie1171]

thanks alot GoingPro and Bino. ill take that all into account, but ill still run the deca at 500. now that some of the other prestigous Monitors and VETs have taken an interest into this thread, any other input? taiboxa? goose4? snrfmaster?

[pavlenko]

IMO you have gotten all the advice needed to go on with your cycle. Now GET BOII!!!

[taiboxa]

Week 1-6: Dbol @ 50 mg/ED
Week 1-13: Test E @ 250 mg/wk
Week 1-12: Deca @ 500 mg/wk
Week 1-15: Winny @ 50 mg/ED
week 1-15 letro .25mg/ED

Week 13-15: HCG @ 500 IU/ED
Starting Week 16:
Day 1-28: Nolva/Arimidex 20-30mg/wat ever
thats how i woulda done it

[Snrf]

thanks alot GoingPro and Bino. ill take that all into account, but ill still run the deca at 500. now that some of the other prestigous Monitors and VETs have taken an interest into this thread, any other input? taiboxa? goose4? snrfmaster?

lol...i'm just a postwhore

[taiboxa]

lol...i'm just a postwhore

this is true

[Snrf]

this is true

Snrf

hey...u joined 3 months after me and have nearly 3x as many posts.

[taiboxa]

Snrf

hey...u joined 3 months after me and have nearly 3x as many posts.

yeah but they are evenly spread out among aas/diet/training/loung/salon