Bulking Cycle Suggestions

[RoadToRecovery]

I have a choice between the following compounds below.. Im looking to do a bulking cycle for 12-15 weeks

Masteron,Primo,Sust,Test Prop,Test Cyp,Test E,Tren Acetate,Tren E,and Super Tren(?)

I was gunna go with Sust/Test E 750mg/300mg...
but i wanna see what you guys think

Soo whatcha got?

I plan on starting in June.

My PCT will be letro/aromisin

[GHO5T]

Whats your stats bro, it will help in making a cycle.

Age, weight, height, bf, diet, training experience, cycle history.

~GHO5T~

[RoadToRecovery]

21,192,5'9",16%,3 years exp. 3 cycles...

Diet consists of Protein shakes, whole wheat foods, and lean meats.

Right now Im on PCT and Im about to start clen today or tomorrow for about 10 weeks... looking to get rid of 5% bf.

[jackman22]

Whats the reasoning behind doing 2 different test compounds (or shall i say 5 since sust has 4?). Tren makes loosing some bf while trying to gain a little easier.

[trulbfan3]

im not trying to be a jackass but thatss not that great of stats for 3 cycles and being 21...ide rethink my diet and workout routine then hit up another cycle...im not trying to flame by no means jsut saying.

[gixxerboy1]

Honestly sust with other test is just a dumb cycle. If you want to run 1g of test to bulk fine just do a gram of test e.

[shredzs]

i would go with tren e @ 500-800mg and test e @ 600-1000mg

[taiboxa]

i would go with tren e @ 500-800mg and test e @ 600-1000mg

why test so high?

[kfrost06]

If you want to grow I would find a deca source and do a deca/test cycle. I think tren is too harsh and to many sides for a 3rd cycle and besides would be better for cutting than growing, IMO. If you can find those compounds you can find deca.

[kfrost06]

yes, like tia said, 1g of test is WAY to much.

[Booz]

yes, like tia said, 1g of test is WAY to much.

ummm care to elaborate as to why the test at 600-1000mg is to high?
is this because its only his third cycle or is there another reason or are you just following as to wat tai has said??
not running you at all i wod just like to know your reasoning for your statement...........................

[Timm1704]

Me personally hagve decided that 1g test weekly is an optimum dosage for me.

I have ran cycles using 750mg test and got ok results, little to no sides apart from abit of bloat.

I then ran a cycle using 1000mg test and got way better results, with little to no side effects (apart from a raging libido lol, if thats a side effect then i can live with that). I had no extra sides than I did from the 750 mg.

[RoadToRecovery]

im not trying to be a jackass but thatss not that great of stats for 3 cycles and being 21...ide rethink my diet and workout routine then hit up another cycle...im not trying to flame by no means jsut saying.

I was in a near fatal motorcycle accident over the summer... and I was unable to walk let alone work out for months.

[reppedout1]

glad you're ok bro!!i had a good friend killed in a motorcycle accident..take care!!....repped

[GHO5T]

21,192,5'9",16%,3 years exp. 3 cycles...

Diet consists of Protein shakes, whole wheat foods, and lean meats.

Right now Im on PCT and Im about to start clen today or tomorrow for about 10 weeks... looking to get rid of 5% bf.

Thanks for providing the stats bro, looking at this IMO you should drop some BF if possible before running a bulker.

I know you want to get rid of 5% bf which IMO is very key, that would put you roughly at 10-11% bf entering the bulker which is great, b/c IMO your gains will look much better.

Heres what i would suggest for a bulker, keeping in mind the compounds you stated.

1-4 Test Prop 100mg/ed
1-12 Test E or C 500mg/wk
1-10 Tren A 50-100mg/ed
1-10 Masteron 75-100mg/ed
1-12 Letro .25-.5mg/ed

PCT(14 days after last Test E administration)
*I would highly suggest running Anthony Roberts PCT protocol, as its getting good reviews*

Keep your diet spot on bro, cals high and your training solid and you should notice some great gains.

You can adjust the dosages or durations of the compounds i listed accordingly to fit your personal needs and or experiences.

If you have anyother questions, dont hesitate to shoot me a pm.

Best of luck to you

~GHO5T~

[RoadToRecovery]

That looks like a solid cycle... Looks like itll cost me around

[taiboxa]

That looks like a solid cycle... Looks like itll cost me around $*******+

read the rules for once... NO PRICE TALK.

[kfrost06]

ummm care to elaborate as to why the test at 600-1000mg is to high?
is this because its only his third cycle or is there another reason or are you just following as to wat tai has said??
not running you at all i wod just like to know your reasoning for your statement...........................

IMO, for a 3rd cycle 1000mg is WAY too high. I personally have never run over 500mg test and I get great gains. I know there are different philosophies when it comes to amount but to recommend 1000mg/wk to someone doing a 3rd cycle is reckless and dangerous. Those levels should be reserved to the most dedicated and experienced, the ones that plan to go pro. Why start taking 1000mg to early when 500mg/wk will get you to grow with far fewer sides. All of this is my opinion and I know I am in the minority here with this opinion but I still feel strongly about it.

[testisbest]

IMO, for a 3rd cycle 1000mg is WAY too high. I personally have never run over 500mg test and I get great gains. I know there are different philosophies when it comes to amount but to recommend 1000mg/wk to someone doing a 3rd cycle is reckless and dangerous. Those levels should be reserved to the most dedicated and experienced, the ones that plan to go pro. Why start taking 1000mg to early when 500mg/wk will get you to grow with far fewer sides. All of this is my opinion and I know I am in the minority here with this opinion but I still feel strongly about it.

I agree, no need for a 21 year old to run 1g of test a week when he can still grow on less than 600mgs/week. JMHO, no disrespect.

[Booz]

IMO, for a 3rd cycle 1000mg is WAY too high. I personally have never run over 500mg test and I get great gains. I know there are different philosophies when it comes to amount but to recommend 1000mg/wk to someone doing a 3rd cycle is reckless and dangerous. Those levels should be reserved to the most dedicated and experienced, the ones that plan to go pro. Why start taking 1000mg to early when 500mg/wk will get you to grow with far fewer sides. All of this is my opinion and I know I am in the minority here with this opinion but I still feel strongly about it.

much better responce...........
i tottally agree with you mate..........
you are not in the minority,personally i think new users should start out at 500mg weekly and only up the dose when its obviouse that you cannot get anything out of that level of test.......
this post is what i wanted to hear from you,an in***th answer with a reason and not just "yeah 1g is way too much"...
too many Parrots on this board,dont be one of them,
if you are goin2 answer a question such as this give a reason such as you just have...............

[RoadToRecovery]

this is why i come here for advice... cuz most of you people actually give a shit and care about pointing people in the right direction.

Ok so Im assuming 1g of test is a nono.

What does everyone think about GHO5Ts cycle?

[testisbest]

I like the cycle GHO5T layed out for you. Although if you can afford to run primo at 1g a week, I'd do that with 500mg of test a week for 12 to 14 weeks. You already know that bulking or cutting is all in the diet.

[RoadToRecovery]

I like the cycle GHO5T layed out for you. Although if you can afford to run primo at 1g a week, I'd do that with 500mg of test a week for 12 to 14 weeks. You already know that bulking or cutting is all in the diet.

That seems a bit... excessive, for primo anyways

[RoadToRecovery]

and also... this will be my 4th cycle... not my 3rd

[fLgAtOr]

Thanks for providing the stats bro, looking at this IMO you should drop some BF if possible before running a bulker.

I know you want to get rid of 5% bf which IMO is very key, that would put you roughly at 10-11% bf entering the bulker which is great, b/c IMO your gains will look much better.

Heres what i would suggest for a bulker, keeping in mind the compounds you stated.

1-4 Test Prop 100mg/ed
1-12 Test E or C 500mg/wk
1-10 Tren A 50-100mg/ed
1-10 Masteron 75-100mg/ed
1-12 Letro .25-.5mg/ed

PCT(14 days after last Test E administration)
*I would highly suggest running Anthony Roberts PCT protocol, as its getting good reviews*


~GHO5T~

Why the Test E if hes running Tren A and Masteron?

Looks like fun though...

[GHO5T]

Why the Test E if hes running Tren A and Masteron?

Looks like fun though...

More convenient to the user.

I know with short ester such as Masteron and Tren A, prop is more likely to be ran.

But Prop requires ED injections for optimal results alongside ED injections with Masteron and Tren, this will get very old and hard to maintain injection consistency throughout the cycle, also the prop pain can get a little bothersome as you get further in cycle, hinder training, etc...

This is why i suggested a Prop kickstart only for the first 4 weeks, this will provide the user with a form of test in the begininng so there will be no libido issues since the user is running Tren, the short ester will make for a nice combo kickstart.

However once the 4th weeks comes to an end, the longer Test will have kicked in, and the user will discontinue Prop and can run the longer ester test will alot more ease and convenience, with less injections and no pain for the remainder of the cycle.

~GHO5T~

[RoadToRecovery]

Bumping for more suggestions... I dont want to turn myself into a pin cushion though... I wanna stack 2, at the most 3.... Lookin at Test E 500/wk with eq 500/wk... and dbols for the first 2 weeks at 50mg/ed... cycle lasting about 12 weeks.

Hows that sound to you guys?

[fLgAtOr]

Bumping for more suggestions... I dont want to turn myself into a pin cushion though... I wanna stack 2, at the most 3.... Lookin at Test E 500/wk with eq 500/wk... and dbols for the first 2 weeks at 50mg/ed... cycle lasting about 12 weeks.

Hows that sound to you guys?

Well...What have your experiences been with these compounds, if any? Did you respond well? Any sides? At what dose?

From what I've read, the EQ sounds like a minimal contribution to your cycle. But some more opinions on this would be good.

If you like DBol, then I would say run it for 4-6 wks ***ending on your comfort level. Two weeks would be a bore.

[RoadToRecovery]

Ive taken... Winstrol, Deca, Eq, Sust, Test Prop, and primo... all with very little sides...

[RoadToRecovery]

bump

[Titleist]

If I was you, in your position, I would run Deca & Test. It's simple and effective, not to mention the two have great synergy. You can always kickstart with an oral or Test Prop.

1-4 kickstart of your choice
1-12 Deca 400-600mg*
1-13 or 14 Test E or C 500-750mg**

*I don't like to comment on dosage much, because only you can determine that. You could also run a TRT dose of Test and rely on Deca for the majority of your gains.

**Again, same thing as far as dosage goes. Also, it's up to you whether you wanna run the Test 1 or 2 weeks past the Deca.

You can also add in Winny for 4-6wks at the end of your cycle right up to your PCT. With the 2 weeks you are waiting for the Test to get out of your system, you might as well add in a compound with a short active life to make the most out of your cycle.

These are just some ideas for you to ponder.

[RoadToRecovery]

I like that titleist... alot actually...

[RoadToRecovery]

Bump for more suggestions...

Also suggestions for pct

[taiboxa]

Welp ima chime in I guess...

PCT is usually overcomplicated by many.. imo and i have tried MANY MANY different concepts u only really need an AI and SERM, i.e. arimidex/nolva or aromasin/nolva are just fine. i could tell no diff between either combo.

2ndly diet is the most important aspect of pct, as good fats and cholesterol aid immensely in recovery of endogenous test production so eat yolks and salmon by the truckload!

If u start getting the whole de-pression thing, shorten ur workouts as cortisol will be building up, u will want to train in a HIT type of regiment- blasting out a resistance training session in bout 30min. This will help preserve the hard earned lbm.

As for the cycle... personally i hate EQ, its only a precomp vascularity compound for me, as it doesnt even affect my hunger near the degree that tren does (but to reiterate- that is just me).

I would definetly opt for a nor group and a TRT or moderately low dose of test, as well as possibly using a dht oral for synergistic effects to compliment the nor group (deca most likely in your case).

Personally since DHT's seem to have an effect on free test and shbg which seem to BENEFIT recovery i would forgo a JUMPSTART and just frontload wat ever compounds im using and save my orals for the end of the long estered cycle.

JMO though.

[RoadToRecovery]

Welp ima chime in I guess...

PCT is usually overcomplicated by many.. imo and i have tried MANY MANY different concepts u only really need an AI and SERM, i.e. arimidex/nolva or aromasin/nolva are just fine. i could tell no diff between either combo.

2ndly diet is the most important aspect of pct, as good fats and cholesterol aid immensely in recovery of endogenous test production so eat yolks and salmon by the truckload!

If u start getting the whole de-pression thing, shorten ur workouts as cortisol will be building up, u will want to train in a HIT type of regiment- blasting out a resistance training session in bout 30min. This will help preserve the hard earned lbm.

As for the cycle... personally i hate EQ, its only a precomp vascularity compound for me, as it doesnt even affect my hunger near the degree that tren does (but to reiterate- that is just me).

I would definetly opt for a nor group and a TRT or moderately low dose of test, as well as possibly using a dht oral for synergistic effects to compliment the nor group (deca most likely in your case).

Personally since DHT's seem to have an effect on free test and shbg which seem to BENEFIT recovery i would forgo a JUMPSTART and just frontload wat ever compounds im using and save my orals for the end of the long estered cycle.

JMO though.

Very informative post tai, I appreciate that.

Now having said all that... what are your feelings on LR3 IGF-1 along with Test E

[taiboxa]

Very informative post tai, I appreciate that.

Now having said all that... what are your feelings on LR3 IGF-1 along with Test E

i love igf.. only prob is (yeah yeah not allowed to talk about) the price..
only time i have seen NOTICABLE GAINS from the long chain IGF is from 120+mcg runs.. usually i would do like 80mcg morning and 80mcg pre workout. or 50/70 types of splits but always above 100mcg for sure to SEE results.

i mean im not saying everyone is the same but i have talked to many people who have used it extensively and all have statedt he same as well 100+is usually the sweet spot, and anything below just seems to be a moderatly effectively over priced fat burner.

test IMO is a rather sad hormone, very very anti catabolic but thats about it for test.. cept for the fact it gives bullet proof boners capable of opening a can of tuna when ur w/o ur canopener. so i think it would be a good combo if u can figure out what dose of IGF works best for you.

[RoadToRecovery]

Ya know... Im glad I came here first before i went out and started to pick up some gear... because its apparent i dont know what the hell i want lol. All I know is I want do a 12 week bulk cycle...

[RoadToRecovery]

OOOOOk so... Ive officially decided what my next cycle will look like:

DBOL Tren A Test E and LR3 IGF-1

The dosing and how many weeks T B D

[Random]

Roadtorecovery...

i havent read the previous posts but have u considered a test/NPP cycle?

CD

[RoadToRecovery]

Ive never heard of that CD