Fat people who has used gear

[MuscleHead320lb]

I am looking for some information from people who had / have a high BF % and decided to run a cycle anyways.

What kind of results did you have, good or bad.

What did your cycle look like?

PCT?

[getpaid]

Not saying you should hop on juice if you have high bf%, but I would check out Ggallin's cycle results..

[Johny-too-small]

There are a ton of lard-butts on this forum that juice. Its pathetic.

[johnmacdan]

What do you consider high bf%?

[chest6]

Musclehead, no flame intended but please stay far away from gear. You are still a beginner to the lifestyle. At least train for a few years naturally before you start....

[scribbs12]

musclehead you're already a big guy.. big as hell ... if i were you i wouldnt even use steroids yet.. you got the stats of a NFL linemen.. just diet and drop down to like 260? maybe.. ripped.. you would look so beast...

[aadrenaline]

There are a ton of lard-butts on this forum that juice. Its pathetic.

troof




yeah id wait it out man cardio and diet it down drop some fat and train for a few years

[dece870717]

You can never really appreciate and utilize AAS unless you've been training naturally for years. I've been training 5 years naturally and then decided to do a cycle and I think this stuff is like magic, you really come to appreciate roids when you know what it takes and how long it takes to grow naturally. And with that many years of experience you can make so much better use of the cycle and get way better results, you'll know how to diet and train and maximize your potentional.

[canyonbyker]

I am looking for some information from people who had / have a high BF % and decided to run a cycle anyways.

What kind of results did you have, good or bad.

What did your cycle look like?

PCT?

people who I knew that had high BF% went ahead and dropped it using lipo dissolve injections before juice. It worked for them...if u really weigh 320lb, u got some serious work to do.

http://www.myfatdissolve.com/product.html

You can never really appreciate and utilize AAS unless you've been training naturally for years. I've been training 5 years naturally and then decided to do a cycle and I think this stuff is like magic, you really come to appreciate roids when you know what it takes and how long it takes to grow naturally. And with that many years of experience you can make so much better use of the cycle and get way better results, you'll know how to diet and train and maximize your potentional.

i agree

[Valac]

drop bf% down first to =/>10% than u could get on it, that is sayin its u that wants to get on it.

[perfectbeast2001]

I stupidly ran some gear when i was in my early 20s at a high BF (25%+) on the advice of some older guy at the gym. I got nothing from it except a lighter wallet and water retention.
Water retention is not the greatest when you are already overweight as BP may rise from an already high starting point. Not good. Cardio is the only way to go if you are over 20%

[canyonbyker]

drop bf% down first to =/>10% than u could get on it, that is sayin its u that wants to get on it.

Dino strong claims that primobolan is a secret weapon for those higher than 10% BF. What do u think about that?

I stupidly ran some gear when i was in my early 20s at a high BF (25%+) on the advice of some older guy at the gym. I got nothing from it except a lighter wallet and water retention.
Water retention is not the greatest when you are already overweight as BP may rise from an already high starting point. Not good. Cardio is the only way to go if you are over 20%

it happens bro.

[sofus99]

Stay away from steroids that aromatize if you have high BF. I would probably primarily use DHT compounds if it was me.

[Mista Massive]

Dino strong claims that primobolan is a secret weapon for those higher than 10% BF. What do u think about that?

i think who cares!?

stick to diet and cardio. best results physically, and most rewarding mentally. you'll be proud of yourself

[perfectbeast2001]

AS are a great tool for the already lean (below 15%) to help with fat loss. this is due to the fact that an increase in LBM (muscle) will increase BMR (calories used during the day) and therefore burn more fat. However if you are overweight this will not be the case as factors like poor insulin sensitivity in obese individuals will make it hard to gain muscle without excessive fat gain too.
There is really only one way for an obese person to lose fat and that is diet and cardio.

[rockinred]

AS are a great tool for the already lean (below 15%) to help with fat loss. this is due to the fact that an increase in LBM (muscle) will increase BMR (calories used during the day) and therefore burn more fat. However if you are overweight this will not be the case as factors like poor insulin sensitivity in obese individuals will make it hard to gain muscle without excessive fat gain too.
There is really only one way for an obese person to lose fat and that is diet and cardio.

What about the in between 15-20 BF? I don't hear too much about this range... I am 17% and I starting a cycle on monday... I have never been a lean person naturally... I dieted last year for 5 months straight and dropped down to a tad under 15%, but damn that was some hard shitt... and a hard life to live... I know lots of people that don't eat anywhere near as healthy and good as I do and they can drop in no time...

So I guess what I am saying is that I hear it echoed in here all the time about lower than 10% on juice and a lot of folks just don't have the genetics to drop down that low. When I was in th Army Rangers I use to average less than 6 minute miles and run everyday... 6 miles no problem, bad arse shape and I don't think I dropped below 15% those years either.... couse diet wasn't like it is now, but as you get older metabolism changes too and it is harder.... last year when dieting I lost some stregnth in the gym and muscles looked flat.. I hate that... a few months later...eating decsent I gained it back...

So how will this affect at 17%??? I guess thats my real question for this thread

[dale]

cardio sucks. i did it for 4 months and lost 40lbs, 1hr 5 days a week...i dreaded going to the gym and the best part of the day was when i left that hell hole.

[chest6]

well...17% is better than 30%. I believe Musclehead is close to 30%

[Snrf]

musclehead is over 30% I'd say..

I don't think cycling at 17% will do too much harm, but with a little dedication it really isn't that hard to get below 15%

[rockinred]

musclehead is over 30% I'd say..

I don't think cycling at 17% will do too much harm, but with a little dedication it really isn't that hard to get below 15%

yes, i agree and after reading my post I thought it sounded like I was saying it was impossible, which is not what I think at all... my whole life has been about defying the ods... for me, at this point in life, everything is a balancing act... I can only commit so much to certain things.... I guess my point is that getting under 15% can be waayy more difficult for one then it is for another.... with kids, finishing off graduate degree, full blown in the workforce, hitting the gym hardcore... it is pretty tough... man, if i want some lasagna, then i eat it... oh well the price is steep.lol.

I agree with 30% BF though... hammer that down some more b4 even thinking about it.

[jagdpanther]

Bf% alone is not the only factor that comes into play. Age is a factor and estrogen levels are a huge factor(the fatter you are the more of your test is converted to estrogen). I'll get flamed for this I'm sure as it disagrees with alot of what people have previously posted.

I got carried away with my career at around 30-31. This messed up both my diet and training. I went from a lean and muscular 195 at 6 foot to about 250 by the time I hit 34. I don't know what my BF% was but i bet it was up around 30% or more. Due to other medical issues that had developed during that time I could no longer run for cardio which was my primary weapon weight control or cardio when I was younger. I never thought about using AAS before that point in my life and wasn't sure I wanted to, but i started to research. About 6 or 8 months later I did my first cycle.
In seven months i went from a fat 250 to a lean and muscular 227. I had an injury that required suregry that kept me from lifting heavy with my upper body for about 6 months. i reduced my calorie intake for that and unfortunatley dropped down to 195 over those 6 months and I've been working to put it back on since then.

I did have years of experiance training and eating correctly from before starting AAS. Where the steriods helped was in maintaing and even developing muscle mass while loosing fat. The AAS won;t really do much though if your not commited.
commited for me ment 30-45 minutes cardio first thing every morning 6 days a week, weight training in the evening 5 days a week, being very careful with my diet, and leading a more active life style in my free time(scuba, tennis, martial arts,skiing etc). This just happened to be the way I lived before 30 anyway so I was able to slip into it relatively easily - felt good actually.
I don't know your history or stats so I can't even come close to telling you what you should do, just relaying my experiance. If you don't have the life style in check then it won't help - if your ready for a long term commitment and know how to eat properly and train then it may be a benefit.

Good luck either way,

Jagdpanther

[perfectbeast2001]

What about the in between 15-20 BF? I don't hear too much about this range... I am 17% and I starting a cycle on monday... I have never been a lean person naturally... I dieted last year for 5 months straight and dropped down to a tad under 15%, but damn that was some hard shitt... and a hard life to live... I know lots of people that don't eat anywhere near as healthy and good as I do and they can drop in no time...

So I guess what I am saying is that I hear it echoed in here all the time about lower than 10% on juice and a lot of folks just don't have the genetics to drop down that low. When I was in th Army Rangers I use to average less than 6 minute miles and run everyday... 6 miles no problem, bad arse shape and I don't think I dropped below 15% those years either.... couse diet wasn't like it is now, but as you get older metabolism changes too and it is harder.... last year when dieting I lost some stregnth in the gym and muscles looked flat.. I hate that... a few months later...eating decsent I gained it back...

So how will this affect at 17%??? I guess thats my real question for this thread

Genetics are an excuse. I was fat all my life until i sorted my diet out. If your fat its because you are too lazy to do things properly. PERIOD.

[yahya1966]

there is a caveat to all of this. first, you already know how to train and how to diet. secondly, you already know how your body reacts to different compounds.

[yahya1966]

Bf% alone is not the only factor that comes into play. Age is a factor and estrogen levels are a huge factor(the fatter you are the more of your test is converted to estrogen). I'll get flamed for this I'm sure as it disagrees with alot of what people have previously posted.

I got carried away with my career at around 30-31. This messed up both my diet and training. I went from a lean and muscular 195 at 6 foot to about 250 by the time I hit 34. I don't know what my BF% was but i bet it was up around 30% or more. Due to other medical issues that had developed during that time I could no longer run for cardio which was my primary weapon weight control or cardio when I was younger. I never thought about using AAS before that point in my life and wasn't sure I wanted to, but i started to research. About 6 or 8 months later I did my first cycle.
In seven months i went from a fat 250 to a lean and muscular 227. I had an injury that required suregry that kept me from lifting heavy with my upper body for about 6 months. i reduced my calorie intake for that and unfortunatley dropped down to 195 over those 6 months and I've been working to put it back on since then.

I did have years of experiance training and eating correctly from before starting AAS. Where the steriods helped was in maintaing and even developing muscle mass while loosing fat. The AAS won;t really do much though if your not commited.
commited for me ment 30-45 minutes cardio first thing every morning 6 days a week, weight training in the evening 5 days a week, being very careful with my diet, and leading a more active life style in my free time(scuba, tennis, martial arts,skiing etc). This just happened to be the way I lived before 30 anyway so I was able to slip into it relatively easily - felt good actually.
I don't know your history or stats so I can't even come close to telling you what you should do, just relaying my experiance. If you don't have the life style in check then it won't help - if your ready for a long term commitment and know how to eat properly and train then it may be a benefit.

Good luck either way,

Jagdpanther

ditto for me, and probably a lot of other older guys. i blew up from the ages of 30 to 40, and the body did not bounce back from being out of shape like it did in my 20s. aas helped me get back into decent shape much faster than would have been possible training natty. however, i already knew how to diet and train.

[rockinred]

Genetics are an excuse. I was fat all my life until i sorted my diet out. If your fat its because you are too lazy to do things properly. PERIOD.

LAZY? Don't call me fuc k i n lazy... you know nothing about me........ I stated in my second post that I balance my lifestyle and commitments amongst other things... good job to you for focusing and accomplishing your goals in weightlifting/training/dieting... You seem to be well respected and known around here and I would take your advice on topics related to this forum, but I will stand firm in believing that for some it is easier than others.. PERIOD...and yes, genetics play a big part in that...

as far as that being an excuse..well, yes and no.. an excuse to commit more then you have time for?yes.. is it possible still? yes! do my metabolism work the same as everyone else? no!

[johnmacdan]

Bf% alone is not the only factor that comes into play. Age is a factor and estrogen levels are a huge factor(the fatter you are the more of your test is converted to estrogen). I'll get flamed for this I'm sure as it disagrees with alot of what people have previously posted.

I got carried away with my career at around 30-31. This messed up both my diet and training. I went from a lean and muscular 195 at 6 foot to about 250 by the time I hit 34. I don't know what my BF% was but i bet it was up around 30% or more. Due to other medical issues that had developed during that time I could no longer run for cardio which was my primary weapon weight control or cardio when I was younger. I never thought about using AAS before that point in my life and wasn't sure I wanted to, but i started to research. About 6 or 8 months later I did my first cycle.
In seven months i went from a fat 250 to a lean and muscular 227. I had an injury that required suregry that kept me from lifting heavy with my upper body for about 6 months. i reduced my calorie intake for that and unfortunatley dropped down to 195 over those 6 months and I've been working to put it back on since then.

I did have years of experiance training and eating correctly from before starting AAS. Where the steriods helped was in maintaing and even developing muscle mass while loosing fat. The AAS won;t really do much though if your not commited.
commited for me ment 30-45 minutes cardio first thing every morning 6 days a week, weight training in the evening 5 days a week, being very careful with my diet, and leading a more active life style in my free time(scuba, tennis, martial arts,skiing etc). This just happened to be the way I lived before 30 anyway so I was able to slip into it relatively easily - felt good actually.
I don't know your history or stats so I can't even come close to telling you what you should do, just relaying my experiance. If you don't have the life style in check then it won't help - if your ready for a long term commitment and know how to eat properly and train then it may be a benefit.

Good luck either way,

Jagdpanther

Very similar situation.

[Idunno]

I agree, genetics play a part but really can only play as big a part as you let it. I tend to be able to gain or lose weight reasonably easily and after my recet injury I gained some weight but have lost some it and have gotten my BF more under control too. I will be starting my first cycle soon (I hope) and will beef up back over 200lbs (hopefully around 230-240). Then I'll do my PCT, wait a little while and then either bulk one more time or if I keep enough of it, I'll go through a cutting cycle.

[BG]

AS are a great tool for the already lean (below 15%) to help with fat loss. this is due to the fact that an increase in LBM (muscle) will increase BMR (calories used during the day) and therefore burn more fat. However if you are overweight this will not be the case as factors like poor insulin sensitivity in obese individuals will make it hard to gain muscle without excessive fat gain too.
There is really only one way for an obese person to lose fat and that is diet and cardio.

Well said my friend.

[Getinbgr]

LAZY? Don't call me fuc k i n lazy... you know nothing about me........ I stated in my second post that I balance my lifestyle and commitments amongst other things... good job to you for focusing and accomplishing your goals in weightlifting/training/dieting... You seem to be well respected and known around here and I would take your advice on topics related to this forum, but I will stand firm in believing that for some it is easier than others.. PERIOD...and yes, genetics play a big part in that...

as far as that being an excuse..well, yes and no.. an excuse to commit more then you have time for?yes.. is it possible still? yes! do my metabolism work the same as everyone else? no!

Genetics plays BIG role.

[vein5]

When I go onto a cycle I always go on when i'm in the single digit b/f scale, and I am a endomorph being 220lbs when I was 14. I diet for at least 4 months. Whats the point of gaining muscle if you can't see it?

[jagdpanther]

Test helps keep muscle on while dieting it is proven, in addition it helps burn fat as well.

If your talking long term goals then increaing lbm will increase your sitting metabolic rate whether you see the muscle or not. A few cycles down the road you'll see the muscle. Besides you'll see the improvement even if your fat, it just won't be as impressive looking.

The problem with most people who are excessivly obesse is that there life style is unhealthy - gear won't change that. If someone is commited and has an idea of what they are doing then gear will help them get there quicker.

This also means they need to study not just AAS but the human body as well. if a guy with a high bf% decides to do test without any AIs I'm willing to bet it will increase his estrogen much resluting in higher fat storage, bloating, and possibly gyno. Needless to say high estrogen with low test will also elevate SHBGs - and that effect may last a lot longer then one would think (possibly years).

[J*U*icEd]

bottom line 30% body fat... not time for JUICING!!... it will do almost nothin for your body structure and appearence... you might gain some muscle under that fat but you wont see any results by looking at urself in the mirror... lose the weight with cardio and diet...

[DARKSEID]

I am looking for some information from people who had / have a high BF % and decided to run a cycle anyways.

What kind of results did you have, good or bad.

What did your cycle look like?

PCT?

If your at 30% as the other member mentioned, I would def. hold off. I've run a cycle while I was near your bodyweight, but with lower bf with good results.

[MuscleHead320lb]

I am attaching my lastest pics. Almost 2 months old tho.

I'm really glad to hear everyone input, Thank You.

I am definitely NOT going to do my cycle yet, that wasn't my intention by the questions I asked. I do intend to do one in the near future tho. Maybe beginning of Fall semester tho (12 weeks away). It all ***ends on my improvement in my BF%. I am excited to start AS, but also I am smart enough to listen to the Veterans advice.

[taiboxa]

bf imo isnt a huge factor.. its your LBM base that matters.. i know tons of people who lift for str/pwrlifting/strongman and they are in the 18-24% bf and take large amounts of aas. its all about experience that determines if one is ready to use aas

[davedizzle]

Dude just seen your pics.. forget steroids.. Diet and excercise. And don't expect fast results.. these things take time.
I've been cutting for 3 weeks now, 45mins cardio 6 times a week + 5 weights sessions. I've gone from 12% bodyfat to 11%.... disheartening sometimes but you gotta stick at it..

Best of luck

[taiboxa]

Dude just seen your pics.. forget steroids.. Diet and excercise. And don't expect fast results.. these things take time.I've been cutting for 3 weeks now, 45mins cardio 6 times a week + 5 weights sessions. I've gone from 12% bodyfat to 11%.... disheartening sometimes but you gotta stick at it..

Best of luck

Understatement lol... results take longer than "take time" if ya ask me which is why so many people either A)give up or B)try to find a quick fix and do more harm then good.

[chest6]

12 weeks? No no.

I was thinking more like 3-4 years.

How can you expect to just start working out and want to start steroids right away?

[king6]

12 weeks? No no.

I was thinking more like 3-4 years.

How can you expect to just start working out and want to start steroids right away?

Quick fix.

[perfectbeast2001]

LAZY? Don't call me fuc k i n lazy... you know nothing about me........ I stated in my second post that I balance my lifestyle and commitments amongst other things... good job to you for focusing and accomplishing your goals in weightlifting/training/dieting... You seem to be well respected and known around here and I would take your advice on topics related to this forum, but I will stand firm in believing that for some it is easier than others.. PERIOD...and yes, genetics play a big part in that...

as far as that being an excuse..well, yes and no.. an excuse to commit more then you have time for?yes.. is it possible still? yes! do my metabolism work the same as everyone else? no!

I was fat all my life. my genetics are shit. I was over 30% BF at nearly 300lbs when i began BB. I hold 2 jobs over 60 hours a week and support a family. So I stand by what I said.