First cycle advice.

**oneshot** · 04-27-2007, 11:51 AM

Ive been researching on this site as well as from many other sources for almost two years now and think im ready to start my first cycle within the next month. I am looking at running 500 mg ew of probably test E for 12 weeks, 400 mg of equipoise for 12 weeks, and maybe 20 mg dbol for the first four weeks. im looking to gain about 20 lbs of solid mass without a significant increase in bodyfat with this cycle. I will be doing 1 hr morning cardio 3 days a week (will make adjustments accordingly). What do you guys think about those drug choices and dosages? I have heard to do closer to 600 mg of eq a week but was unsure being that this is my first real cycle. Ive heard many different opinions regarding what to use for PCT, and haven't decided which one i should use so i would like feedback on that as well.

my stats:
5'11, 193-196 lb
bodyfat about 9%
arms 17.5
chest 48
thighs 26
waist 32
My legs are my most lagging muscle group due to a couple of knee injuries.

My diet consists of about 5000 cal ed spread out over 7-8 meals. All protein comes from lean red meats, chicken, turkey, tuna, fish, cottage cheese, egg whites, venison, and whey. All carbs come from oats, brown rice, sweet potatoes, whole wheat bread and pasta, white rice, potatoes, fruit at breakfast, pre and post workout. Most fats are coming from nuts, natural peanut butter, fish oils, olive oil, and a small amount of saturated fats from red meats. I don't consume fats in any meal that has a significant insulin spike, and i cut out most carbs later in the evening.

Ill try to get some pics posted sometime soon.
Any feedback is welcome.

**WEBB** · 04-27-2007, 12:01 PM

Well i am glad you did some research first bro, that makes it a lot easier....the only thin i would suggest is to drop the EQ, just cause i would like to see how you react to test alone...also if you dont listen and wanna run the eq i like 400mg, but 500 might be better alkso try and run for 14 weeks at least, i tend to find the benifits hit around week 12 so longer is better...

Nice work on the diet bro and keep at it, best of luck to you as well...

**testisbest** · 04-27-2007, 12:10 PM

How long have you been eating 5k cals a day? You must do alot of cardio. I would drop the eq as well simply because I agree with WEBB that it should be ran past 12 weeks. If this is your first cycle, just do 12 weeks and see how you recover. For pct, all you'll need is an ai and a serm. How old are you?

**highlighthits** · 04-27-2007, 12:10 PM

id run the dbol at at least 30mgs a day i dont think youd see results any thing lower than that

**batfink0** · 04-27-2007, 12:16 PM

Yes, raise the d-bol...maybe even 40/day, and drop the EQ.
This is your first cycle...Keep it simple!
You are going to get amazing results with a simple D-Bol/Test Stack.
You will progressively get lower results and need to up your stack complexity as you run more cycles. You dont want/need to start off running 3 products.

Just my opinion...

**frignugs** · 04-27-2007, 12:17 PM

You sound like you've done alot of good research and respect that you need a good diet to grow. Props to ya for that. The cycle doesnt look that bad, however, i dont think you need the EQ in there at all for this cherry popper. If you do go with EQ, drop it one week before the test.

Id stick with straight test @ 500mg for 10-12 weeks. Your stats are pretty impressive. From the sounds of it, you diffenetly have some mature muscle, which i think is a must before anyone starts gear. i think a nice run for you would be........

Dbol @ 25-30mg 1-4 weeks (dbol is a fun drug, makes ya feel goooood)
test @ 500mg 1-10 or 12 weeks

I would also run something like aromasin or adex thoughtout the cycle to keep the bloat down and manage estro. Hit up a good PCT.

Throw up some pics soon forsure bra!

Frigma

**WEBB** · 04-27-2007, 12:25 PM

that pretty much covers everythin, imo...best of luck...

**oneshot** · 04-27-2007, 12:47 PM

I have done a lot of experimenting with my diet over the past two years and have finally found where my macros need to be for optimal muscle gain and prevention of fat storage. My macros are about 400 grams of protein, 600 grams of carbs, 100 grams of fat daily. I have had experience in powerlifting, currently compete in track and field (thrower of course), and am thinking about doing a bodybuilding competition late next fall. I am considering dropping the eq, which i initially wanted to run because of its muscle hardness and vascularity. I am 19 years old (please don't criticize me for that). Thanks for your input everyone.

**WEBB** · 04-27-2007, 12:51 PM

oh man, why you have to go and tell me that...you should keep going natural for at least 2-3 years...i know it is hard but i think you be happier if you do...

**batfink0** · 04-27-2007, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by oneshot

I am 19 years old (please don't criticize me for that). Thanks for your input everyone.

Oh crap....Webb...how do I delete my post???? LOL

**WEBB** · 04-27-2007, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by batfink0

Oh crap....Webb...how do I delete my post???? LOL

BWHAHAHAHA...

hey did i tell you i moved back home to alberta now...in calgary now managing an instrumentation company...

sorry for the high jack....seriously please consider waiting bro, you have made great gains naturally and you will continue to do so...dont make the mistake that some 19yr olds make on here and not listen and just look for the easy way...thats not you bro, i can tell your smart and i hope you make the best decision here....if you do decide to run it just do test only especially ta your age, and get your PCT in check before you do a single shot...

**oneshot** · 04-27-2007, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by batfink0

Oh crap....Webb...how do I delete my post???? LOL

I definitely saw that one coming. I appreciate your input.

**batfink0** · 04-27-2007, 01:00 PM

Webb...i'm in Edmonton.....you close?
oops....hijacked again

**WEBB** · 04-27-2007, 01:58 PM

In calagary bro, going up to Edmonton saturday for the night....PM me and maybe we can get a train in somewhere or have a fwe non-alcoholic beer, LOL...

**frignugs** · 04-27-2007, 03:07 PM

Yeah, stats should always include age.....

At those stats and at your age, your doing a hell of a job man. You dont need to jump into the game yet. Continue to eat like you are, train hard, and you will continue to grow. Your natty test levels should still be firing like crazy. No need to interfer with a dame good thing ya have going, obviously somethings working for you.... I'd diffenetly hold off on the gear for awhile. I know its tempting as hell, but its the best thing to do forsure. If you do go on with it, follow a straight test cyc and good luck to ya. However, if ya hold off and keep doing what your doing (and i guarentee u will keep growing), you will be a very smart kid who respects those with knowledge of this field and an excellent example to other new commers.

Frigdaddy

**Idunno** · 04-27-2007, 11:38 PM

+1 on waiting a few years until your natural test levels drop down below enviable levels

**Drummerboy** · 04-27-2007, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by WEBB

Well i am glad you did some research first bro, that makes it a lot easier....the only thin i would suggest is to drop the EQ, just cause i would like to see how you react to test alone...also if you dont listen and wanna run the eq i like 400mg, but 500 might be better alkso try and run for 14 weeks at least, i tend to find the benifits hit around week 12 so longer is better...

Nice work on the diet bro and keep at it, best of luck to you as well...

i was gonna answer this thread, but i would have just been parroting this fine post. Test only to start for sure!!! 500mg a week. Have an AI and SERM on hand when you start, just in case. 20lbs of solid muscle is a lofty goal. that would look HUGE on you.

~DB~