My first cycle-10 weeks of Test-E

[sci muscle]

400 mg./week of testosterone enanthate, 200 mg. injected on Mondays/Thurdays. 10 weeks total. I have liquidex on hand to control estrogen in case I get bloating, etc. I don't have anything for PCT right now and have heard I may not need clomid for my first mild cycle. Also heard that some guys feel like crap on clomid. I may just use a little of the liquidex when I come off.
I plan on bulking up at least 15 lb.s and once I go off continue to lift heavy and eat heavy to prevent too much lean tissue loss.
Two questions.
Number 1- do I need to do Clomid or any other PCT on my first mild cycle?
Number 2- Since it is my first cycle, how long before the effects kicks in for first-timers? I have heard 4-5 weeks for experienced guys, but newbies respond a little quicker and may see results as soon as week 2.

one more bit of info.- I front loaded slightly...400 mg. on Monday, then 200 mg. on thursday of week 1.

[sci muscle]

29 years old
6'1"
200 lb.s
Been training for one year, gained 20 lb.s naturally and have plateaued.

[Blooddraine]

dude, of course u need pct if you plan on keeping most of your gains. and liquidex wont be enough in my opinion, i would suggest nolvadex instead of clomid. Also, personally i would have ran the test at 500 a week and frontloaded the first two injections instead of just first. Also, you might decide to run the test a little longer maybe 12 weeks ***ending on when you start to see or feel results. Most ppl run it for 12.

[Blooddraine]

also, for that weight and height and limited training experience... most ppl on this forum would not have recommended a cycle.. and if you were going to start a cycle it would have been wise to have pct before you began... something to think about for next time around. Anyway, i hope the cycle goes well, goodluck.

[sci muscle]

I have been training all my life off and on...ONE YEAR is the time that I have been training hardcore consistently. Anyway, I have read different things, most say first-timer doesn't need to frontload, but I did a minor frontload anyway to spred things up a bit. And also I know guys who didn't do PCT their first cycle and kept gains. 10 weeks @ 400 mg. /week isn't alot, so I am not sure clomid is necessary. I can still get it before my cycle is over no problem... Anybody else?

[sci muscle]

Bump....
Number 1- do I need to do Clomid or any other PCT on my first mild cycle?
Number 2- Since it is my first cycle, how long before the effects kicks in for first-timers? I have heard 4-5 weeks for experienced guys, but newbies respond a little quicker and may see results as soon as week 2.

[liquid2198]

blooddraine answered ur pct question....and everyone reacts different....enanthate is a long ester so u "should" or let me rephrase that "might" start seeing "some" results ~2-3.5wks...the it will start kicking in....i would do a search buddy...all your answers are right at your fingertips!...goodluck

[sci muscle]

Thanks, I am researching PCT, but most advice is geared towards experienced guys who are stacking. Harder to find advice for first-time test-only cycles. And the recent research about nolvadex and clomid being toxic is scary.

[canadian meat]

Search the stickys in the PCT section specifically the Anthony Roberts one all you need to know should be in there

[sci muscle]

Thanks, will do.

[DrWoody]

1) You need to do more research bro.You definetly need to do a proper PCT.Unless of course you like small balls and no sex drive.I suggest a standard Clomid/Nolvadex pct for 3 weeks,this will help bring things back to normal.As I said before research about it bro,do some reading as to why you need PCT.

2)I'm on Test E 400mg/week as well,and its my first time on test,didn't see any results til week 5,and didnt see any serious results til week 8,which is where I am now.Be patient ,diet properly,train hard,good luck to you.

[helium3]

a test only cycle is the best to start,but you still need pct afterwards.

you will need to start running nolva 2 weeks after the last injection(unless you need it while on,if your prone to gyno).

id go with 40mg each day for the first week then 20mg each day for three more weeks,this should cover it.if possible get bloodwork done after this period to see how you recovered,although i dont think its necessary for a first cycle.

good luck H3.

[helium3]

if you only have clomid then run that at 100mg-200mg first day then 50-100mg there after for a 3-4 weeks.

[helium3]

Bump....
Number 1- do I need to do Clomid or any other PCT on my first mild cycle?
Number 2- Since it is my first cycle, how long before the effects kicks in for first-timers? I have heard 4-5 weeks for experienced guys, but newbies respond a little quicker and may see results as soon as week 2.

i like to frontload,works very well.it will get test levels high and stable in a short time.so it "kicks in quicker".i started to see strength gains and size gains after 2-3 weeks of test e,if you dont frontload then it could be as long as 6 weeks before you feel anything significant.

Its down to personal preference,i dont like to use other compounds to kickstart my cycles so thats why i frontload.

[sci muscle]

I did a minor frontload...400 mg. on monday, 200 mg. on thursday. So 1.5x normal dose on week 1.

[deznuts]

Im not sure about the front load but have you thought about runing the test E at 600mg/week instead.
I don't know how prone you are to gyno but personally I run proviron at 50mg ED and arimidex at .25mg ED throughout my cycles.
Since you are only running test and you have liquidex I would suggest running your liquidex at .25mg ED starting now until you finish your PCT.
For you PCT, you need to get some clomid and start taking 14days after your last shot. I would take 200mg the first day and 100mg for days 2-27.

[sci muscle]

Agreed, I started taking the Liquidex yesterday. I will take it throughout to keep bloating, etc. down. 600 mg./week? Isn't that a little high for a first time?

[Blooddraine]

400mg/week IMHO is too low... 500mg or 600mg would give u better results.