trying to make the ultimate stack

**mickdiesel** · 05-05-2007, 01:08 AM

I want to plan my next cycle.I haven't decided if I want it to be 12 weeks or 3 rounds of 4 on 4 off. I'm looking drop to about 8% and be around 235 by the end

I like all the dht compounds. specifically var,mast and primo.

for test I think I want to use cyp. I have always used prop and am curious how I'd react to cyp.

last cycle was 16 weeks of prop and eq 700mg respectively. with npp@100mg/ed for theast 6 weeks.

I'm 25, 5'7", 228lbs, 13% bf.

I have access to tren but it scares me. I want to use it for its fat burning capabilities but u have to run it high for that so I don't know.

this is what I was thinking of, please let me know what u think. I know its a long thread but I wanna make sure I explain everything right.

1-12 prop 700mg
1-12 primo 700mg
1-4 or 9-12 var 100mg/ed
or
1-12 cyp 700mg
1-12 mast 1g
7-12 tbol 60mg/ed

I want to put npp in there somewhere and also run proviron . I'm not sure what dosages for both yet. I tried npp once before and had a bad experience but it was stacked with eq and I think it might be why I didn't like it.

so anyway. please weigh in gentlemen

**mickdiesel** · 05-05-2007, 01:34 AM

bump

**mickdiesel** · 05-05-2007, 02:45 AM

too long to read? I can try to paraphrase if that's it. if not pleeeeaase tell me what u thinl

**jamikehat** · 05-05-2007, 08:43 AM

Is that 1 gram of mast/wk?

**deznuts** · 05-05-2007, 09:23 AM

I personally like the first one with the var at the end. I would def sun provior at 50mg ED no matter which you chose.

The mast seems a little high for the second one between 350-700mg per week is usually what I have seen. Also, sunning tbol at 60mg ED for 5 weeks might be rough on the stomach.

Why not add winny? Seems to me it would help you achieve your goals.

**mickdiesel** · 05-05-2007, 09:53 AM

yeah 1 gram/week. u can rn shitloads of the stuff with little side effects.

**mickdiesel** · 05-05-2007, 09:55 AM

I don't like winny. the results are great but it poses too much detriment to the heart.

**jamikehat** · 05-05-2007, 12:32 PM

I like the second cycle personally. Pretty close to my next cycle. A few things I would do differently: Drostanalone enanthate since your already using a long estered test 1'gram/week is more than I would recommend but it's your cycle, use the t-bol as a kickstart , and I would run var the last 3 weeks at maybe 60mgs/day? Also, I like to run my proviron starting the last week of my cycle through pct @50mg/day.

**mickdiesel** · 05-06-2007, 02:14 PM

I hear its better to run proviron throughout. but I guess with masteron u don't need it

**jamikehat** · 05-06-2007, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by caban

I hear its better to run proviron throughout. but I guess with masteron u don't need it

Exactly, proviron is great to run throughout but I think it would be a bit excessive/unnecessary especially with a gram of masteron /week.

should be a hell of a stack.

**shrpskn** · 05-07-2007, 07:47 AM

Ultimate stack = Test, Mast, and Tren .

**mickdiesel** · 05-07-2007, 09:28 AM

hey shrp I usually run prop @ 100mg/ed. what do u think the dosages should be and how long? very interested. no oral kickstart either? thanks

**shrpskn** · 05-07-2007, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by caban

hey shrp I usually run prop @ 100mg/ed. what do u think the dosages should be and how long? very interested. no oral kickstart either? thanks

I've ran test prop @ 100mg/ed myself when I've ran this stack...Mast prop at 100mg/ed and tren A @ 100mg/ed as well. Definitely not a novice cycle...ADVANCED USERS ONLY...But that cycle is one fun ride!

A good lab will provide a blend of these making for less volume to inject on a daily basis. I've used some good tren/mast blends that are out there...even a test p, mast, and tren A blend. 75mg/mL of each compound would make for a 1.25cc injection/ed.

No need for an oral jumpstart IMO, because all three injectables I listed in what I think is the ultimate stack are all short-acting...effects begin to come on within the first week of the cycle.

**mickdiesel** · 05-07-2007, 11:28 AM

now this will be my 5th cycle and u say experienced users only. is this due to sides? I think I'm going to sart the tren @50mg/ed and see how I react. I know a few people that have gotten jaundice and gout from the stuff. not really a few, just one a piece. tren just sounds so intimidating, everybody talks so much of it. when u say fun ride what exactly do u mean?

**mickdiesel** · 05-07-2007, 11:32 AM

also what were ur gains like. I'm a real easy gainer when it comes to the larger muscle groups. everything else is I'd say still above averagebut things like my shoulders/back, quads and hams get big quick. do u think it would almost be too much gaining for me possibly? I did prop, var 100/80/ed respectively for 12 weeks, var was 6. and I gained about 18lbs. thanks for any input

**shrpskn** · 05-07-2007, 12:21 PM

Run that stack and you will see how fun it is

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I wasn't saying that you're inexperienced, just saying that stack, at them doses, is not for the inexperienced.

Good call running the tren @ 50mg/ed to start if this is your first go with it. That is the compound that may or may not make or break your cycle with any sides that may come about.

Good luck,

**mickdiesel** · 05-07-2007, 02:23 PM

last ques shrp. are tren gains kept well? I know prop and mast gains are but how bout the tren monster?

**shrpskn** · 05-07-2007, 02:33 PM

Gains achieved with trenbolone are very qualitive...very maintainable...

Of course a solid PCT and continued training and proper diet are fundamental keys to maintaining any gains achieved from a cycle as well.

Good luck,