first cycle

**born2build** · 05-07-2007, 06:22 AM

hi just wondering what type of gains i should see of this
weeks 1-8 500mg sust
weeks 1-8 200mg deca
3 boxes of nolva for cycle run throughout
2 box of hcg
am i being realistic looking to gain a stone of solid muscle
your views please

**bigboy003** · 05-07-2007, 06:35 AM

lol it looks good bro, but like probally all will say is we need to see your stats, history, etc..... wish i had my hands on that stuff though!

**born2build** · 05-07-2007, 06:37 AM

stats 19 i know abit young been training 4 years diet spot on 6ft2 190 pounds 10 percent bodyfat

**Consistency** · 05-07-2007, 07:15 AM

I would run it for atleast 10 weeks. Better if you run the sust for 12 and deca for 11 weeks. I would use the HCG the last half of your cycle and get some Clomid for PCT.

**born2build** · 05-07-2007, 07:19 AM

what gains do you think i will make also im a bit worried about the aggression side dont wont to upset family or workmates any opinions on this?

**bigboyhutch** · 05-07-2007, 07:20 AM

19... your still growing. stunt your growth for sure if you start now IMO. Your test is probably peakin now and you want to start a cycle??? Anybody else think this will "shock " his body and production of natural test?

**born2build** · 05-07-2007, 07:22 AM

sick of hearing im 2 young this is my decision so thanks for the advice but ive made my mind up so please what do you think i will gain on this cycle?

**born2build** · 05-07-2007, 07:24 AM

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1541021 this guy was definitly not at his genetic potential and look

**Consistency** · 05-07-2007, 07:29 AM

only 8 weeks 12-15 pounds... do it like i laid out and 15-20 but this all ***ends on your diet. You'll probably keep around 75% of the gains as long as your diet and pct are good

**born2build** · 05-07-2007, 07:34 AM

how would you cycle this is what ive got 16amps of sus250 8amps of deca 3boxes of nolvadex 25mg and 2 boxes of hcg

**Erwin** · 05-07-2007, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by born2build

how would you cycle this is what ive got 16amps of sus250 8amps of deca 3boxes of nolvadex 25mg and 2 boxes of hcg

ok, amps and boxes don't mean sh#t. We would need to know how much gear you have in regards to ml's and the doses of the gear ( 20ml at 200mg/ml something like that). And that comment about about being bigger than most men when you are 6'2" and 190 lbs. I would love to work out at your gym, I would feel like a god LOL.

**born2build** · 05-07-2007, 09:59 AM

16ml @ 250mg/ml sust and 8ml of deca at 200mg/ml and 3 boxes of nolvadex 30tabs 25mg each and two hcg

**chest6** · 05-07-2007, 10:09 AM

why not wait a couple years and develop?

6'2" 190lbs is pretty small.

**born2build** · 05-07-2007, 10:13 AM

****in pointless come for advice and all i get is too young man its up 2 me and ive made my mind up i will post pictures of my results after the cycle im gonna be a freakin beast mwahahahahaha

**Erwin** · 05-07-2007, 10:47 AM

I am gonna say that I agree with the other guys that you are not done growing naturally yet but like you said, You are going to do it no matter what anyone says. Don't waste your time with the deca since you don't have enough for a decent cycle. Run the sust the way you had planned and save the nolva for PCT unless you get some gyno. Since it is a mild cycle and short to boot the nolva should be enough to bring you back up. And why not post some pics now before cycle? good luck bro-erwin

**Dizz28** · 05-07-2007, 11:05 AM

There is no way for us to know what your gains are going to be. It's up to you on how much you train, the way you train, what you eat and how much you rest. There is too many variables.

But Deca @ 200mgs a week is a very low dose even for a beginner, you might as well not run it at all. The lowest dose should be 400mgs/wk. Save up and get more or just save it for a different time if you only have 8ml@200mg/ml. Most people will also agree that it should be run for at least 12weeks. So to effectively run this you should have at least 24ml@200mgs/ml...3x what you have right now.

The Sust will be effective at 500mgs/wk being it's your first cycle. 8 weeks is still a little short in my opinion but you'll still gets results from it. I don't think you are "going to be a beast" after this but you should be able to get to 200lbs if you are 190 right now.

**Stock** · 05-07-2007, 02:16 PM

"im gonna be a freakin beast"

That is the funniest thing I heard today...

**87GrandNational** · 05-07-2007, 02:31 PM

never go into a cycle expecting too much....we are all sure that you have made your decision to do this but be safe and respect your body or it will turn its back on you....

one more thing: all of us are here helping you out and keep in mind that we have had the ups and downs of gear so listen to us as we have already endured the pros and cons. do it right and you could be walking around the beach getting all the looks from the ladies,,,,,do it wrong and you could be walking around with a B cup....research before you inject, its free.

**gigem** · 05-07-2007, 02:37 PM

heck yeah your gonna be a beast heck you wont even have to work out lol. man i dont get it i can understand your mind is made up but the advice your getting is from bros who have seen what starting to young can do. sure youll gain size short term or even long term but whats the long term health risks at your age?

**born2build** · 05-08-2007, 08:41 AM

cheers guys appreciate all the advice some good honest comments in here but i am gonna do my cycle from next week wish me good luck

**GhostShot** · 05-08-2007, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by born2build

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1541021 this guy was definitly not at his genetic potential and look

That guy was natural

"Yeah these pics are all natural."

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...1&postcount=16

It won't kill you to wait a couple years bro, and in the long run you'll probably do better.

But if you're gonna do it, drop the deca , just run the test IMO you won't see any more gains from running them both together.