2 week mini cycles (marcus300)

[stone14]

iv just read marcus300 thread on running short cycles, i have heard good thing about these short cycles for a while but alot dont use them due to the yo-yoing effect of hormones.
but i quite like the look of them and the theorys behind them.

iv done 6 cycles over the last 3 years, the gains i have kept is around the 56lb mark.

i have enough aas in my cupboard to run these 3 cycles ( i have lost my job so this is all the aas i have)

cycle 1) 2weeks 100mg drol ed
pct 2wk
cycle 2) 2weeks test p 100mg/1ml eod + 76mg tren ac/1ml eod
pct 2wk
cycle 3) 2weeks 40mg dbol
3wk pct then 8wk+ off

2wk pct
day1 60mg nolv
2-14 40mg nolv
40mcg igf1 ed

3wk pct
day1 60mg nolv
2-11 40mg nolv
12-21 20mg nolv


(i have just finished cycle 1, gained 16lb, lost 3lb water 2days after last drol tab currently running nolv and igf1, i think igf1 is a good addition to pct)

iv made these cycles up with what i have, do they look ok?

TO MARCUS300 can you give me examples of the doses you would suggest to someone who is wanting to take the short cycle route. thanks

[juice4life]

So you gained 16lbs in 2 weeks after just doing the drol? Pretty impressive.
100mg is kind of high to me though. I usually run d-bols in the 25mg range.

I'm anxious to see how this turns out. Keep us posted on your results of this.

I can't really comment on these since I have no experience with cycles like this.

[stone14]

can't really comment on these since I have no experience with cycles like this.

this is the first time iv tryed this method of aas use, i usually go for the 8-12week route

i will keep you's posted

[muscle_20]

2 weeks and you gained 16lb lost 3 hmm i wonder what you will be left with after pct.
i have read a lot of marcus stuff on 4 week cycles but never on a two week one thats intresting.

[marcus300]

Ive read alot on 2 weeks cycles and alot of the theory makes perfect sense, hit the system hard for 2 wks before your HPTA shutdowns. There are different opinions on weather it does or doesnt I guess thats down to the indivdual.

IMHO I would I feel the body needs more time to grow than 2 wks, if the right prime before the cycle as been implemented of course hugh muscle gains can be achieved but I still feel 2 wks isn't long enough and the fluctuation in blood hormones would be the best for the body.

Stone14, the dosages what are used for short cycling are worked of your cycle history, burst short cycling works great but again the correct prime need to be implemented before the cycle for at least 6-8 wks, this will open the growth window and create a hugh advantage for muscle tissue to grow fast. Also the training and diet are major parts of the whole short cycle process.

[stone14]

what type of prime would you suggest? do you mean changing the way someone trains berore the cycle or is the training the ame throughout? on the nutrition side of it i go for high cals i am currently aiming for around the 5000cal mark, im around the 205lb mark at the min.

do you have anyomore liknks to how to prime as you say? thanks

[marcus300]

what type of prime would you suggest? do you mean changing the way someone trains berore the cycle or is the training the ame throughout? on the nutrition side of it i go for high cals i am currently aiming for around the 5000cal mark, im around the 205lb mark at the min.

do you have anyomore liknks to how to prime as you say? thanks

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=231569

[stone14]

cheers

if i keep my protein constant at 400g ed and just adjust my fat and carbs will that bo ok?
400g of protein should be enough to hold onto muscle tissue right?

also will using clen along with ketotifen/ benadryl be a good idea while on low cal days also for its anti carbolic effects?

if this is a good idea will the keto have much of a diffrence over the cheaper benadryl?

thanks

[stone14]

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[Mista Massive]

i'm thinking of doing a short cycle myself soon, as u said, the theroy behind it makes heaps of sense to me.

i really think this will serve better gains in th long run.

i'm a lil unsure about 2 weeks being long enough, but 4-6 weeks with a higher than normal dose followed by a good PCT sounds solid

Keep us posted as i haven't heard too many experinces with short cycles

[marcus300]

i'm thinking of doing a short cycle myself soon, as u said, the theroy behind it makes heaps of sense to me.

i really think this will serve better gains in th long run.

i'm a lil unsure about 2 weeks being long enough, but 4-6 weeks with a higher than normal dose followed by a good PCT sounds solid

Keep us posted as i haven't heard too many experinces with short cycles

There are many different approaches to short cycling and you would be better off trying some of them and seeing which one you respond best to. Many Pro's use short cycling methods linked with a cruise or bridge to the next cycle.

The first few weeks of any cycle are the most important time to build muscle onto the frame, the body is fresh and if the right primming of the body beforehand is done growth is and can be amazing, with any kind of cycling the body will adapt in time to the gear being used and slow growth down and set a even level, once the body is fighting against growth this is when sides appear and gains are slow unless drastic measures are implemented.

Why waste the presious time of the first few weeks of cycling with long esters what havent been frontloaded or not using all the compounds, the first few weeks are vital and once bodybuilder master this this is when serious growth can be built and maintained, Its impossible for the body to carry on growing for many wks its just doesnt happen, growth occours in spurts and once the body starts to fight to slow it down your battling against something what you are not going to win unless you want serious sides or risk your health.

With short cycling sides are low and there is little damage to your Lipid profile or at least only for a short period of time which in turn is less time for potential problems to ocour, blood pressure can be regulated easier and there is a big improvment on your HPTA, overall there is alot less stress on your organs and seeing that recovery is alot easier the maintenance of the new found muscle is far easier and quicker.

Long esters can be used while short cycling so long as the right procedures are implemented, front loading or burst cycling will make any long ester work within a short cycle, obviously short esters work great if the dose isn't going to be at a high amount or the level of which you are at doesnt justify doing a burst.

Ive looked at many of the different ways of short cycling even the 2 wks cycles ive tried but one thing sticks out with all this type of method is Primming the body beforehand, this will create a massive advantage and will accelorate growth at a level which can only be seen within the Pro ranks.

There is nothing set in stone with cycling, many different methods need to be tried and tested before you can say what works or not, IMHO if you can find the right cycle what will produce hugh gains with low sides and easy recovery thats the method what should be used, we are all different so never dismiss anybody theorys unless you have implemented them properly and put them to the test. I did and was toatlly amazed by the results and gains and I adviced so many other people to try them with unbelievable sucess.

[Ryler]

Marcus300, everyone says there is a significant shut down at 3 weeks in the HPTA but is not so significant at a two week duration. In your experience is this true...running a two week cycle of short acting ester will substantially allow increased recovery of HPTA as compared with a three weeker? I just wonder because I am going to try a short(under 4 weeks) cycle and would like to stick with a two week one, if increased HPTA recovery is the case. Thanks in advance and I read your post on priming, it makes sense. Cheers!

[cookiemonstR]

Sounds like an interesting theory, i would like to see more people try this and see how it works out. I figure that more time would be needed to really see results more along the 1 month range.

[marcus300]

Marcus300, everyone says there is a significant shut down at 3 weeks in the HPTA but is not so significant at a two week duration. In your experience is this true...running a two week cycle of short acting ester will substantially allow increased recovery of HPTA as compared with a three weeker? I just wonder because I am going to try a short(under 4 weeks) cycle and would like to stick with a two week one, if increased HPTA recovery is the case. Thanks in advance and I read your post on priming, it makes sense. Cheers!

Shutdown occurs differently within individuals there is nothing set in stone, but the theory with 2 wks cycles is that the cycle will end before shutdown occurs so recovery should be far easier.

I would say would you get the gains you require within them 2 wks or will you need more time? with any short cycle weather they are 2 wks,4 wks or even 6 wks will be far easier on recovery than any long cycle, you can recover alot faster with short shutdowns than you can with long periods of shutdown or surpression,

OK some say once shutdown it will take t5he same time to recover no matter how long its shutdown but in practise it doesnt happen like that, when I do a 4 wk short cycle and I am shutdown for around 2 wks of it recovery is fast and have no problems what so ever but recovering from 14 wks shutdown takes longer and you can run into difficulties.

[thebrakes]

OK some say once shutdown it will take t5he same time to recover no matter how long its shutdown but in practise it doesnt happen like that, when I do a 4 wk short cycle and I am shutdown for around 2 wks of it recovery is fast and have no problems what so ever but recovering from 14 wks shutdown takes longer and you can run into difficulties.

there are different kinds of suppression of course. HPTA and leydig cells. the testes recover much more slowly....but like Marcus said, there is some serious variation among users....for me, HCG solves all these problems. i've come back from 30-weekers in less than 2 weeks (at least, libido- and mood-wise)

there's a clinical study out there that shows 95% suppression of natty T in 3 weeks on test e @ like 300mg/week. take from that what you will.

[marcus300]

Primming is the key to growth, I cant stress enough how important this is to serious growth in ANY CYCLE. It goes hand in hand with short cycling weather heavy or light dosage.

Primming will create the biggest anabolic advantage than anything else you can do, stack this with a burst cycle weather heavy or moderate and you will not look back.

When we speak about short cycles and burst dosages the mg varies to each indivdual, what some might think as high is low to others, you use the required dose for your stage and level and couple this with a prime and I promise gains you will never see with any standard cycling.

Give it a go you will love it