Wheres the pump?

**crawdaddy** · 05-10-2007, 10:04 AM

Bros, I keep hearing about this crazy pump i'm suppose to feel, but I dont feel sh#@. Here's my situation. I just finished my 7th wk of a 12 wk cycle of sust 250. I gained 17lbs.(but visible gains are scarce, its gotta be mostly water weight.) also my strength has NOT increased at all. The gear is homemade but comes from a reputable source. I work out 4-5/wk and drag ass during workouts, i mean i bust my ass but I was expecting some crazy kinda pump and I feel the total opposite. I sleep 6-8hrs/night and my diet is good. I expected the usual joint pains but I seriouslly feel like this shit is making me more lathargic and I just got over seriuos flu like symptoms as a side.
Any ideas, recommendations or advice would be appreciated. Check back tonight.
first cycle:
sust 250 700/wk inj every 2 days
183lb start 200lb current
28yrs
workout 4-5x/wk
mma training 1x/wk

**Random** · 05-10-2007, 10:07 AM

Hmm what is your diet like? doesnt sound like the best qulity gear...?

CD

**crawdaddy** · 05-10-2007, 10:21 AM

diet:
7am no xplode
granola bar/banana

10am 1% cottage cheese/fruit

12pm chicken or groung turkey and veggies

2pm chicken or ground turkey and veggies

7pm whatever the girl makes, nothing too bad though

the weird thing is I've gotten all the negative sides and no positive ones.

**Random** · 05-10-2007, 10:23 AM

diet:
7am no xplode
granola bar/banana

10am 1% cottage cheese/fruit

12pm chicken or groung turkey and veggies

2pm chicken or ground turkey and veggies

7pm whatever the girl makes, nothing too bad though

the weird thing is I've gotten all the negative sides and no positive ones.

Sorry to say man, this diet is horrible, not enough carbs or protein...

CD

**GrimmReaper** · 05-10-2007, 10:26 AM

check out the nut/diet forum.

**crawdaddy** · 05-10-2007, 10:29 AM

cool. thanks guys. I've just been thrying to shed some of this bf.

**crawdaddy** · 05-10-2007, 10:35 AM

My protien intake is good. I've been trying to cut carbs. This was a quick rendition of my diet. I eat a lot of chicken, fish, ground turkey, cheese and fat free milk. Usually totals 200+ grams of protein per day

**highrise** · 05-11-2007, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by crawdaddy

cool. thanks guys. I've just been thrying to shed some of this bf.

I wouldn't try to shed bodyfat when on a bulking cycle. Decide to go one way or the other, then choose your poison, diet, workout to get there. Also, carbs allow your body to use its protein to grow, instead of for energy. You should be able to control your energy level, and keep your energy level up, more easily with carbs than with protein. That should lead to heavier workouts. I think your missing the pump because your cells don't have much carbs to get pumped with. Should be an easy problem to fix. Just prioritize your short term (cycle) goals.

**FinaMon** · 05-12-2007, 06:18 AM

just finished 6th week 12 week sust 350 cycle. Same here, no increased strength tired, gained some weight from increase in cal. I just started adding winny this week. I keep hearing it can even take up to week seven or eight to start seeing gains from sust, so I am still holdin out hope,

**crawdaddy** · 05-12-2007, 07:18 AM

Thanks highrise.

**gixxerboy1** · 05-12-2007, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by crawdaddy

My protien intake is good. I've been trying to cut carbs. This was a quick rendition of my diet. I eat a lot of chicken, fish, ground turkey, cheese and fat free milk. Usually totals 200+ grams of protein per day

You need to be around 400 grams. Your not eating nearly enough to put on any muscle. And with mma training too.

**Eat Too Much** · 05-12-2007, 07:56 AM

Definatly add some carbs.. That's probobly why you're so lathargic.. Add some wheat toast or brown rice to your first few meals, then taper off later in the day. I've been taking this approach for some time now, and I'm stronger than ever in the gym (without gear) and I am cutting about a pound a week.. Good luck.