Propionate and Mastrone help!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anavar Man]

I need a little feedback regarding a potential upcoming summer cutter cycle. I would like to do 200mgs test prop. EOD and 100mgs. Masterone EOD. My body fat % should be around 10% when I start the 8 week cycle. My question is, will I see positive affects of the Masterone even though I'm not in single digits BF. What would be the highest BF% you could have and still take Masterone?

[D-Money]

I need a little feedback regarding a potential upcoming summer cutter cycle. I would like to do 200mgs test prop. EOD and 100mgs. Masterone EOD. My body fat % should be around 10% when I start the 8 week cycle. My question is, will I see positive affects of the Masterone even though I'm not in single digits BF. What would be the highest BF% you could have and still take Masterone?

The answer to your first question is yes, I do believe you will see positive affects of the masterone. I think you will probably loss some bodyfat if your diet is correct. You will see a hardening of you muscles. I think the highest you bodyfat should be have, when taking a cutting cycle should be around 13%

[Anavar Man]

thanks D-money,
I'm around 14% now and I should be around 10% after I drop another 15lbs.
Besides the muscle hardness, what other affects do you get?

[GHO5T]

The effects of Masteron, mainly the the increae in muscle hardness, vascularity, and definition of muscles will be present in all users.

However users with lower bf's (single digits) will notice them more. Think of it this way, the masteron will harden muscles, however if you have a high bf, the fat covers up the hardened muscles, so the user wont see them very well.

When a user with a lower bf runs masteron, since bf is in single digits and theres no traces of fat covering up muscles, the effects are more greatly noticed.

~GHO5T~

[sonnygll]

thanks D-money,
I'm around 14% now and I should be around 10% after I drop another 15lbs.
Besides the muscle hardness, what other affects do you get?

You weigh 375lbs.?!?! Good lord, are you going to be in next years Mr. Olympia? Or are just a little confused about body fat %?

14 to 10, is a difference of 4%. If 4% is 15 lbs., 1% is 3.75 lbs., then 100% is 375.

If you loose 15 pounds, you might not be contest ready, but you'll be pretty ripped. Unless of course you really do weight 375 with 52.5 pounds being fat, and are just dropping down to 37.5 pounds of fat at 360.

[PROTEINSHAKE]

you will see the effects of masteron. The lower the bodyfat % you begin with--- the more dramatic the results. get bodfat as low as possible prior to starting...you will reap greater benefits that way. but provided all else is on order-you will see results & effects from it.

[Anavar Man]

What are the advantages of Masteron over Winstrol?

[king6]

What are the advantages of Masteron over Winstrol?

Sides are less harsh, but then again that really ***ends on the individual. It has the same synergy effects, but masteron is also a good bulker.

[mickdiesel]

masteron is not as bad for your heart as winstrol. an ugly little fact about winny is that it is really good at growing ur heart. growing ur heart is bad. masteron doesn't grow ur heart as well as winny

[deeznutts]

In my research I found nothing but good things about stacking winstrol and mast together... Just a thought.

[GHO5T]

They are known to be very synergetic when both the compounds are ran in the same cycle.

However IMO both compounds main use is to harden up muscles and provide vascularity and muscle definition.

So why use both since both provide this, just use one over the other, and in place of the other run a 19-nor.

So running Test (test), Masteron (DHT), Tren (19-nor) that IMO would offer much more than Test (test), Winni (DHT), and Masteron (DHT).

~GHO5T~

[mickdiesel]

funny how avoiding the negative side affects is not ever concenrated on. I just made a comment about winny being bad for your heart and the only thing posted after it are comments on what is synergistic with it. I think that most of us dont like to think about what we do to our bodies with these chemicals but it must be considered and adressed. and information about these sides must be provided on these subjects by those that call themselves knowledgeable and take the initiative to advise someone else. just a thought.

[Markosterone]

funny how avoiding the negative side affects is not ever concenrated on. I just made a comment about winny being bad for your heart and the only thing posted after it are comments on what is synergistic with it. I think that most of us dont like to think about what we do to our bodies with these chemicals but it must be considered and adressed. and information about these sides must be provided on these subjects by those that call themselves knowledgeable and take the initiative to advise someone else. just a thought.

well spoken.

I would run the masteron atleast 150mg EOD

[Adam F]

funny how avoiding the negative side affects is not ever concenrated on. I just made a comment about winny being bad for your heart and the only thing posted after it are comments on what is synergistic with it. I think that most of us dont like to think about what we do to our bodies with these chemicals but it must be considered and adressed. and information about these sides must be provided on these subjects by those that call themselves knowledgeable and take the initiative to advise someone else. just a thought.

Please provide studies that show one AAS that is proven to enlarge the heart more than another with same MG'S. I always see theories in threads with no scientific data

[mickdiesel]

listen, this is a forum full of meatheads and jocks. not sayin we can't be intelligent for this reason. I got a 1340 on my sat's and graduated cum laude but for the most part these medical articles are very hard o understand and try to responsibly quote. so I try to paraphrase what I've read and I've read at least 20 studies that made this claim. and no I didn't take the time to compile them perfectly into footnoted references but weve all read or heard that winny can grow the heart at a much greater rate than other steroids. because all steroids do grow the heart, its a muscle and that's what they do. being a dht compound it is better at growing the kind of musce tisue the heart is made of. that's why men are at higher risk of heart disease and have bigger hearts. along with more skeletal muscle. seewhere I'm goin with this.
now my point is that if were going to be advising then we must do so responsibly. I can't footnote my statement but I can bring it to light so that itsknown and someone whom is interested realizes this issue even exists and can research it if they'd like. that's what happened with me. I heard about it so I researched it. it was like a year so I don't remember where or when.
and lst but not least its an unforunate habit of members on here to say that anytime someone speaks poorly of gear or its side effects people cme out of the woodworks from all over and start bashing the person and claiming bulshit because tey don't have references. this happens for (i think) two reasons. 1 they don't wanna hear about it cause it scares them and 2 they don't want the lifestyle to be bad mouthed.

long story short if someone makes a helpful commen and it intrigues u or catches ur attention in a negative or positive light. RESEARCH IT, don't just make arbitrary bs calls.

thank you

Please provide studies that show one AAS that is proven to enlarge the heart more than another with same MG'S. I always see theories in threads with no scientific data

[goalseeker]

I agree with you.. Id rather have someone point it out so its gets taken note of, and Im not all that concerned with the documentation to follow... within reason of course.. But generally speaking, Id rather know of something like that cuz chances are, it must have come from someone that read it, or studied it.. But of course, regardless, I will still follow through with my own research...
The more you hear of something, the more it sticks in your head......

[mickdiesel]

I agree with you.. Id rather have someone point it out so its gets taken note of, and Im not all that concerned with the documentation to follow... within reason of course.. But generally speaking, Id rather know of something like that cuz chances are, it must have come from someone that read it, or studied it.. But of course, regardless, I will still follow through with my own research...
The more you hear of something, the more it sticks in your head......

u said it my friend. that was my exact point. glad to see some people get my driftt. happy juicin

[Booz]

listen, this is a forum full of meatheads and jocks. not sayin we can't be intelligent for this reason. I got a 1340 on my sat's and graduated cum laude but for the most part these medical articles are very hard o understand and try to responsibly quote. so I try to paraphrase what I've read and I've read at least 20 studies that made this claim. and no I didn't take the time to compile them perfectly into footnoted references but weve all read or heard that winny can grow the heart at a much greater rate than other steroids. because all steroids do grow the heart, its a muscle and that's what they do. being a dht compound it is better at growing the kind of musce tisue the heart is made of. that's why men are at higher risk of heart disease and have bigger hearts. along with more skeletal muscle. seewhere I'm goin with this.
now my point is that if were going to be advising then we must do so responsibly. I can't footnote my statement but I can bring it to light so that itsknown and someone whom is interested realizes this issue even exists and can research it if they'd like. that's what happened with me. I heard about it so I researched it. it was like a year so I don't remember where or when.
and lst but not least its an unforunate habit of members on here to say that anytime someone speaks poorly of gear or its side effects people cme out of the woodworks from all over and start bashing the person and claiming bulshit because tey don't have references. this happens for (i think) two reasons. 1 they don't wanna hear about it cause it scares them and 2 they don't want the lifestyle to be bad mouthed.

long story short if someone makes a helpful commen and it intrigues u or catches ur attention in a negative or positive light. RESEARCH IT, don't just make arbitrary bs calls.

thank you

you have a good point here mate but we do like to see studies when someone makes a statement like you did,i dont think Adam F was bashing you in any way at all.............................
you say research it but yoiu have made the statement so in one way you should have to back it up if someone asks for the source to which you got the info from......................
i am in no-way bashing or calling you out just putting my point across.....

[mickdiesel]

I don't disagree with you either. I was just talking about the arbitrary bs calls many of the members make when they hear info without studies. on the oher hand Id rather hear a half assed explanation of something I should worry about and research it myself than never hear of it at all and never know that I have to worry about it.
booz you are a scholar and a gentleman

[Booz]

I don't disagree with you either. I was just talking about the arbitrary bs calls many of the members make when they hear info without studies. on the oher hand Id rather hear a half assed explanation of something I should worry about and research it myself than never hear of it at all and never know that I have to worry about it.
booz you are a scholar and a gentleman

Good man..................................