My First Cycle: Help & Advice!!!

[athlete20]

I need some advice on what I should run for my first cycle. I was thinking about running Test (Cypionate or Enanthate ) since it is always recommended for a first cycle. But now I'm not sure since on a cycle of Test you will gain a shitload of weight, and that not what I'm looking for. What I want out of my first cycle is mostly strength gains (so basically a clean bulk). Would 12-weeks be a good start? And if not Test, then what would you guys suggest I should run according to the goals I have in mind?

Background info:

I've been working out seriously for about 7 years. I am currently playing football at a D2. I'm a DB, but I mostly play CB.

5'10"
198

I appreciate all the help and advice you guys can provide me.

[skank]

Test Cyp or E is a great first cycle. You will be fine at 10 to 12 weeks with a moderate dose of 250 to 500mg per week. Eat clean and smart, also keep up the cardio and you will keep the weight under control. You are going to gain some weight though. What is your estimated bodyfat?

[gehirin]

I did a test cyp (12 wk) with dbol (4 wk) and got strength but also got a lot of bulk from water retention. My second cycle with test and deca gave me more of what I wanted - more lean muscle gains with little bloating but I also ran test kinda low compared to what board members recommend.
Tbol is also good at strength and lean mass. It also gives pretty good gains for an oral.

[Geeezer]

Test c or E And a good clean diet

[johnny juice]

Test E 500mg a week and deca 300 mg a week for 12 weeks i loved it great size and stength make sure you eat clean and get a pct

[athlete20]

Test Cyp or E is a great first cycle. You will be fine at 10 to 12 weeks with a moderate dose of 250 to 500mg per week. Eat clean and smart, also keep up the cardio and you will keep the weight under control. You are going to gain some weight though. What is your estimated bodyfat?

Okay. I'm at about 10-15%.

[rabidsquirrel]

Test Cyp or E is a great first cycle. You will be fine at 10 to 12 weeks with a moderate dose of 250 to 500mg per week. Eat clean and smart, also keep up the cardio and you will keep the weight under control. You are going to gain some weight though. What is your estimated bodyfat?

i agree i use test c at 300mg a week for 10 weeks for first cycle and gained 20 pounds. if you do a shit load of cardio u probably wont gain as much weight.also i seem to retain less water on test e. but it work different for everyone.

[athlete20]

I've been looking around, and I have the following cycles in mind:

1. Non-Toxic Oral (Lean Mass Cycle): Andriol /Primobolan : Since I'm still not comfortable with needles.
2. Proviron /Deca /Winstrol (Cutting/Lean Mass Cycle): I like the combo of the 3.
3. Tren /Winstrol (Cutting); I know it's for cutting, but I was wondering if I could add another agent for a lean mass cycle/strength.

What results should i expect from these cycles? Which of these would be a good 1st cycle? I'm looking mainly increase strength and "speed" (agility/quickness/explosiveness).

Thanks.

[eyesonly]

I've been reading around alot in considering my first cycle. There's a lot of info - everytime I think I have something I read something else that definitely clarifies one thing but makes me curious about something else. Anyway...I guess thats not really a bad thing because I want to know what to look for/expect. All in all I think the only way I'll know is to just do it and see. Having said all that, I have a question...

weight gain from a first cycle on like Test E alone or w/Dbol - is the weight gain mostly from water retention or lean muscle mass? or both...?

[athlete20]

So I'll be running Test E at 500mg/wk for 10-12 weeks. I was also thinking about adding Winny the last 5 weeks for bloating? Would this be fine?

[boDAWG]

here i what i'd do

test E 500 mg a week for 12 weeks
letro 20mcg a day (takes care of water and gyno)
clen determine your dosage (fatloss)
t3 determine your doasge (fatloss)

cardio heart rate between 130-150 for 45 minutes 5 times a week

i think you'd see nice clean gains from this cycle

[longhorn814]

I need some advice on what I should run for my first cycle. I was thinking about running Test (Cypionate or Enanthate ) since it is always recommended for a first cycle. But now I'm not sure since on a cycle of Test you will gain a shitload of weight, and that not what I'm looking for. What I want out of my first cycle is mostly strength gains (so basically a clean bulk). Would 12-weeks be a good start? And if not Test, then what would you guys suggest I should run according to the goals I have in mind?

That is a huge myth...test is pretty much the ideal steroid , you can cut or bulk on it, it all ***ends on your diet and training. You can take an AI, such as letro or arimidex , to keep bloating to a minimum. Personally, I dont bloat on test, everybody is different. If its your first cycle, run test only with proper PCT, use and AI to keep bloating down, and most imporatantly, watch your diet!!

[athlete20]

here i what i'd do

test E 500 mg a week for 12 weeks
letro 20mcg a day (takes care of water and gyno)
clen determine your dosage (fatloss)
t3 determine your doasge (fatloss)

cardio heart rate between 130-150 for 45 minutes 5 times a week

i think you'd see nice clean gains from this cycle

That is a huge myth...test is pretty much the ideal steroid, you can cut or bulk on it, it all ***ends on your diet and training. You can take an AI, such as letro or arimidex, to keep bloating to a minimum. Personally, I dont bloat on test, everybody is different. If its your first cycle, run test only with proper PCT, use and AI to keep bloating down, and most imporatantly, watch your diet!!

Thanks guys.

What if I were to add some sort of cutting agent for more of a shredded look and turn burn some unwanted bf? Could I add either Winny or Var, and if so, when in the cycle would be best?

[athlete20]

That is a huge myth...test is pretty much the ideal steroid, you can cut or bulk on it, it all ***ends on your diet and training. You can take an AI, such as letro or arimidex, to keep bloating to a minimum. Personally, I dont bloat on test, everybody is different. If its your first cycle, run test only with proper PCT, use and AI to keep bloating down, and most imporatantly, watch your diet!!

I'll be shooting for about 5k cal/day (40/40/20).

[longhorn814]

dude if you eat 5K cals/day you will put on some fat for sure

[rabidsquirrel]

i wouldnt do to many things on your first cycle.

[athlete20]

dude if you eat 5K cals/day you will put on some fat for sure

I was advised that; guess I was given the wrong info. So what would you recommend I shoot for to get the gains (cutting/shredding effect, strength, and dry gains) I'm looking for?

[longhorn814]

go here and read the important stickies

http://forums.steroid.com/diet-nutrition/

how to bulk
how to cut
lean muscle diet

[athlete20]

go here and read the important stickies

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

how to bulk
how to cut
lean muscle diet

thanks. i'm going with the "lean muscle diet".

[athlete20]

Thanks guys.

What if I were to add some sort of cutting agent for more of a shredded look and turn burn some unwanted bf? Could I add either Winny or Var, and if so, when in the cycle would be best?

NVM, I should just stick with cardio to get rid of the unwanted bf.

What are the typical sides with Test because I'm thinking about taking Accutane if acne flares up?

[athlete20]

Here's my cycle:

Week 1-2: Letro .25mg ed
Weeks 3-12 or 14: Test E 500mg/wk, Letro .25mg ed
Weeks 3-13 or 15: Test E 500mg/wk, Letro .25mg ed
PCT:
Torm 120,90,60,30
Nolva 20,20,10,10

*I was thinking about adding an AI to the PCT, but I'm not 100% sure if I need it. Any advice?

*And HCG will be run starting the last 2 weeks of the cycle and into PCT.

[taiboxa]

you need arimidex or aromasin for pct for sure.. an AI of those types helps immensely w/ recovery.

[athlete20]

you need arimidex or aromasin for pct for sure.. an AI of those types helps immensely w/ recovery.

Yeah, just wanted to make sure. I was thinking about running Letro, but would that be too much since I'm already running it during my cycle?

I was thinking something like this for PCT:
Letro .5,.5,.25,.25

What do you guys recommend? I have some extra Arimidex , I'll probably just use that then.

[taiboxa]

Yeah, just wanted to make sure. I was thinking about running Letro, but would that be too much since I'm already running it during my cycle?

I was thinking something like this for PCT:
Letro .5,.5,.25,.25

What do you guys recommend?

no letro for pct would be a BAD!choice to say the least.

[athlete20]

no letro for pct would be a BAD!choice to say the least.

I'm going to go with Arimidex since I still have some extra.

[boDAWG]

no letro for pct would be a BAD!choice to say the least.

and why would letro be bad for pct?

[Hunter]

and why would letro be bad for pct?

letro kills libido and your all ready going to have low libido since you will be shut down and trying to recover natty test production.

[athlete20]

So how far into the cycle will I begin to notice its effects?

[lex57]

I'm going to go with Arimidex since I still have some extra.

this may be a dumb question but why would "still have some extra" arimidex if this is your first cycle just curious.

[athlete20]

The Cycle (Unofficial)

Week 1-2: Letro .25mg ed
Weeks 3-12 or 14: Test E 500mg/wk, Letro .25mg ed
Weeks 3-13 or 15: Test E 500mg/wk, Letro .25mg ed
Last 2 weeks of cycle: HCG 500iu/day

PCT (I ran across this one here. Would I be better off with this one?):

Wk 1 Nolva 20mgs/day HCG 500iu/day Aromasin 20-25mgs/day Vit. E 1000iu/day
Wk 2 Nolva 20mgs/day HCG 500iu/day Aromasin 20-25mgs/day Vit. E 1000iu/day
Wk 3 Nolva 20mgs/day HCG 500iu/day Aromasin 20-25mgs/day Vit. E 1000iu/day
Wk 4 Nolva 20mgs/day Aromasin 20-25mgs/day
Wk 5 Nolva 20mgs/day Aromasin 20-25mgs/day
Wk 6 Nolva 20mgs/day

Or this one?:
HCG 500iu,500iu,500iu,500iu
Arimidex .5mg,.5mg,.5mg,.5mg
Torm 120mg,90mg,60mg,30mg
Nolva 20mg,20mg,10mg,10mg

[athlete20]

this may be a dumb question but why would "still have some extra" arimidex if this is your first cycle just curious.

from a prior designer steroid cycle.

[boDAWG]

letro kills libido and your all ready going to have low libido since you will be shut down and trying to recover natty test production.

not at .25mg/day it wont

[athlete20]

The Cycle (Unofficial)

Week 1-2: Letro .25mg ed
Weeks 3-12 or 14: Test E 500mg/wk, Letro .25mg ed
Weeks 3-13 or 15: Test E 500mg/wk, Letro .25mg ed
Last 2 weeks of cycle: HCG 500iu/day

PCT (I ran across this one here. Would I be better off with this one?):

Wk 1 Nolva 20mgs/day HCG 500iu/day Aromasin 20-25mgs/day Vit. E 1000iu/day
Wk 2 Nolva 20mgs/day HCG 500iu/day Aromasin 20-25mgs/day Vit. E 1000iu/day
Wk 3 Nolva 20mgs/day HCG 500iu/day Aromasin 20-25mgs/day Vit. E 1000iu/day
Wk 4 Nolva 20mgs/day Aromasin 20-25mgs/day
Wk 5 Nolva 20mgs/day Aromasin 20-25mgs/day
Wk 6 Nolva 20mgs/day

Or this one?:
HCG 500iu,500iu,500iu,500iu
Arimidex .5mg,.5mg,.5mg,.5mg
Torm 120mg,90mg,60mg,30mg
Nolva 20mg,20mg,10mg,10mg

bump...

Or any other suggestions for my PCT?

[boDAWG]

just run a simple PCT with letro but when your coming off of it dont just come off of it, tamper it down and then on the last day your using letro ass nolva and run it like a regular PCT

[taiboxa]

and why would letro be bad for pct?

"Nolvadex will actually greatly decrease the blood plasma levels of Letrozole ."

J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 2001 Dec;79(1-5):85-91.

and since the body thrives on homeostasis incresing estrogen helps stim test production...and letro being an extremely potent AI can prevent this from occuring, i have read that 100mcg is enough to cause great suppression of estrogen lvls.

[boDAWG]

"Nolvadex will actually greatly decrease the blood plasma levels of Letrozole ."

J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 2001 Dec;79(1-5):85-91.

and since the body thrives on homeostasis incresing estrogen helps stim test production...and letro being an extremely potent AI can prevent this from occuring, i have read that 100mcg is enough to cause great suppression of estrogen lvls.

thats why your not taking nolva and letro at the same time

[taiboxa]

thats why your not taking nolva and letro at the same time

uhh.. thought we were referring to pct? so what are you going to take for pct? just letro?

[boDAWG]

uhh.. thought we were referring to pct? so what are you going to take for pct? just letro?

like i said take letro and then when your ready to come off of it slowly reduce the dosage and the last day of letro start nolva, its just a way a few of my buddies did it and liked it

[athlete20]

Quote:
Originally Posted by athlete20
The Cycle (Unofficial)

Week 1-2: Letro .25mg ed
Weeks 3-12 or 14: Test E 500mg/wk, Letro .25mg ed
Weeks 3-13 or 15: Test E 500mg/wk, Letro .25mg ed
Last 2 weeks of cycle: HCG 500iu/day

PCT (I ran across this one here. Would I be better off with this one?):

Wk 1 Nolva 20mgs/day HCG 500iu/day Aromasin 20-25mgs/day Vit. E 1000iu/day
Wk 2 Nolva 20mgs/day HCG 500iu/day Aromasin 20-25mgs/day Vit. E 1000iu/day
Wk 3 Nolva 20mgs/day HCG 500iu/day Aromasin 20-25mgs/day Vit. E 1000iu/day
Wk 4 Nolva 20mgs/day Aromasin 20-25mgs/day
Wk 5 Nolva 20mgs/day Aromasin 20-25mgs/day
Wk 6 Nolva 20mgs/day

Or this one?:
HCG 500iu,500iu,500iu,500iu
Arimidex .5mg,.5mg,.5mg,.5mg
Torm 120mg,90mg,60mg,30mg
Nolva 20mg,20mg,10mg,10mg

bump...

And if not, any other suggestions for my PCT that would be more adequate?

[taiboxa]

like i said take letro and then when your ready to come off of it slowly reduce the dosage and the last day of letro start nolva, its just a way a few of my buddies did it and liked it

yeah, i think ur logic behind PCT is slightly skewed, not saying its WRONG .. just not as methodical or practical as it SHOULD be for such an important role in aas usage.