Stack and Body Fat part 2

**deeznutts** · 05-24-2007, 07:06 AM

Ok so I posted this 2 days ago and got some good feed back so I decided to look deeper into what my body fat percentage is... It's around the 13-19% mark. not as high as I previously thought... I just started Winstrol , deca , and omnadren , under the suggestion of my partner. My goal is to cut and in my research I have found arguments for deca being used for both cutting and bulking but mostly bulking. So to counter act that or any water retention I thought next cycle I would use Winstrol, Test, Mast, and either Tren or EQ. My question is this a good stack? which is better tren or eq? and at what dose should all of these be ran?

Thanks for the help.

**longhorn814** · 05-24-2007, 07:45 AM

what is your cycle experience? Diet is more important to getting cut than what steroids you take

**deeznutts** · 05-24-2007, 09:17 AM

This is my 1st cycle.... I'm trying to keep my diet pretty lean, a lot of grilled chicken breast, and low fat turkey, vegetables, protein powder, organic egg whites, oatmeal, fruit etc... That is one area I could use some advice on. I'm a supper picky eater so my diet is limited because of that. Any suggestions there?

**longhorn814** · 05-24-2007, 10:02 AM

diet and cardio will get you cut..not steroids ..they dont burn they, they are used to preserve muscle while on a calorie deficient diet. Do you know how many calories you eat daily? How many come from protein, fat, and carbs? These are things you need to understand. Steroids are not magical drugs, you will only benefit from them if you have a great diet. First cycle should be test only..no need for deca and winny too. Thats too many compounds. If you start getting sides and youre taking 3 things you never taken before, how will you know which one caused them? You wont!! You can cut or bulk on test, ***ends on your diet. Hope you got a good PCT planned too

**taiboxa** · 05-24-2007, 12:29 PM

wow
seroiusly, could u use aas as crutch anymore?!
i would love to see the diet regiment u are fallowing.. since diet dictates everything. and i mean, meals and meal times not just I EAT CHICKN and SOME TUNA

**deeznutts** · 05-24-2007, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

wow
seroiusly, could u use aas as crutch anymore?!
i would love to see the diet regiment u are fallowing.. since diet dictates everything. and i mean, meals and meal times not just I EAT CHICKN and SOME TUNA

So what is your diet regiment... I'll follow that, cause it sounds like yours is the sh*%. BTW everyone using gear is using it as a crutch to obtain a physique or look that normally couldn't.

**deeznutts** · 05-24-2007, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by longhorn814

diet and cardio will get you cut..not steroids..they dont burn they, they are used to preserve muscle while on a calorie deficient diet. Do you know how many calories you eat daily? How many come from protein, fat, and carbs? These are things you need to understand. Steroids are not magical drugs, you will only benefit from them if you have a great diet. First cycle should be test only..no need for deca and winny too. Thats too many compounds. If you start getting sides and youre taking 3 things you never taken before, how will you know which one caused them? You wont!! You can cut or bulk on test, ***ends on your diet. Hope you got a good PCT planned too

I have arimidex , hcg , and clomid for PCT

**taiboxa** · 05-24-2007, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by deeznutts

So what is your diet regiment... I'll follow that, cause it sounds like yours is the sh*%. BTW everyone using gear is using it as a crutch to obtain a physique or look that normally couldn't.

pm saunacrank i just pm'd him a basic diet guide i utilize.

**deeznutts** · 05-24-2007, 04:33 PM

thanks

**longhorn814** · 05-24-2007, 04:40 PM

read this, it will explain how to cut

UNoffical "How to Cut" thread and sample diet...

**deeznutts** · 05-24-2007, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by longhorn814

read this, it will explain how to cut

UNoffical "How to Cut" thread and sample diet...

I'll check it out now ... Thanks

**deeznutts** · 05-24-2007, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

pm saunacrank i just pm'd him a basic diet guide i utilize.

I cant PM anyone,.... I dont have access.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 05-24-2007, 04:50 PM

your running omandren and you have concerns about deca causing water retention??

**taiboxa** · 05-24-2007, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

your running omandren and you have concerns about deca causing water retention??

lol yeah but atleast it aint andropen .. THAT SHIT IS THE DEVIL!

**deeznutts** · 05-24-2007, 04:58 PM

Right my source said it didnt cause him to retain any water, he just came off deca and omna and he's cut pretty well. After I researched is when I found out about the water retention aspect of omna

**Titleist** · 05-24-2007, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by deeznutts

Right my source said it didnt cause him to retain any water, he just came off deca and omna and he's cut pretty well. After I researched is when I found out about the water retention aspect of omna

@ this thread.

You have no idea how to diet, your concept of steroids is misconstrued, and you're following your source's advice. Good luck with the cycle.

**deeznutts** · 05-24-2007, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Titleist

@ this thread.

You have no idea how to diet, your concept of steroids is misconstrued, and you're following your source's advice. Good luck with the cycle.

Nice.. your post is one for the record books

Who have you advice when you started? Or did you already know it all? My source has actually won 3 competitions... your credentials???????

Thanks to longhorn, at least he tried to help. Everyone else seems content on attempting to talk down to anyone and everyone with less experience instead of offering advice that can help.

**Titleist** · 05-24-2007, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by deeznutts

Nice.. your post is one for the record books

Who have you advice when you started? Or did you already know it all? My source has actually won 3 competitions... your credentials???????

Thanks to longhorn, at least he tried to help. Everyone else seems content on attempting to talk down to anyone and everyone with less experience instead of offering advice that can help.

I researched buddy. I read and read and then read some more. When I did have a question, I used the search button and if I couldn't find the answer I was looking for, I asked. You said:

Originally Posted by deeznutts

I thought next cycle I would use Winstrol, Test, Mast, and either Tren or EQ. My question is this a good stack? which is better tren or eq? and at what dose should all of these be ran?

Come on man...You just asked which is better, Tren or EQ?

Sorry if I came off harsh, but the questions you asked were vague and showed you didn't put forth any real effort into finding the answer yourself. You just wanted everyone to tell you what to do. Wouldn't you rather research and find the answer for yourself, rather than listen to someone you've never even met? That's all i'm trying to get across to you.

**pr0digalsun** · 05-24-2007, 11:20 PM

Hey i know this isnt the diet forum, but calorieking.com has helped me IMMENSELY when it comes to diet. i started using it at the suggestion of someone on this board. it has a huge database of food from just about any brand, so whatever you eat, it tracks. it will give you cool graphs of your calorie breakdown and even tracks your caloiries from your workout. it was $44 for a year, but totally worth it- cheaper than a week or 2 of winny. there are other sites out there like that too, but i havent ever used any of them. after using it, i realized i needed more protein suppliments.

There was a study i read from the cooper clinic that 100% of the people in its study group who tracked all their calories met their particular fitness goals. the people who didnt track every calorie were much less successful.

My point is that tracking what you eat would be a good start so you at least know if you need to make changes to your diet before you start your first cycle.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 05-25-2007, 12:29 AM

if your source thinks omandren does not make you hold water he is very misguided..

**deeznutts** · 05-25-2007, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by Titleist

I researched buddy. I read and read and then read some more. When I did have a question, I used the search button and if I couldn't find the answer I was looking for, I asked. You said:

Come on man...You just asked which is better, Tren or EQ?

Sorry if I came off harsh, but the questions you asked were vague and showed you didn't put forth any real effort into finding the answer yourself. You just wanted everyone to tell you what to do. Wouldn't you rather research and find the answer for yourself, rather than listen to someone you've never even met? That's all i'm trying to get across to you.

Gotcha... I have been studying... I was asking for personal preference or experience between tren and eq. I know tren is stronger but also has a stronger chance to produce sides....

**deeznutts** · 05-25-2007, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by pr0digalsun

Hey i know this isnt the diet forum, but calorieking.com has helped me IMMENSELY when it comes to diet. i started using it at the suggestion of someone on this board. it has a huge database of food from just about any brand, so whatever you eat, it tracks. it will give you cool graphs of your calorie breakdown and even tracks your caloiries from your workout. it was $44 for a year, but totally worth it- cheaper than a week or 2 of winny. there are other sites out there like that too, but i havent ever used any of them. after using it, i realized i needed more protein suppliments.

There was a study i read from the cooper clinic that 100% of the people in its study group who tracked all their calories met their particular fitness goals. the people who didnt track every calorie were much less successful.

My point is that tracking what you eat would be a good start so you at least know if you need to make changes to your diet before you start your first cycle.

Thanks!

**deeznutts** · 05-25-2007, 09:13 AM

One of my main concerns beside diet is are these compounds good to stack together? My experience is limited to this 1st cycle, from I have read thus far it seems like it would be a good combo but, then again I dont have all of the knowledge that some of you may have.

**taiboxa** · 05-25-2007, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by deeznutts

One of my main concerns beside diet is are these compounds good to stack together? My experience is limited to this 1st cycle, from I have read thus far it seems like it would be a good combo but, then again I dont have all of the knowledge that some of you may have.

honestly.. u can do anything w/ any compound.
sure there are BETTER compounds for better goals like..
mast is better for precomp than say deca due to water retention but deca is so strong that it will help prevent lbm catabolism during dieting so YES u can cut VERY VERY EFFECTIVELY on deca and other compounds that bloat u

Drol is my fav oral to diet on as its SUPER PWRFUL and NERFS my appetite.

and since everyone responds differrently to everything who knows its all TRIAL and ERROR just remember to not go krazy w/ the doses and use aas responsibly. and since diet dictates 80% of ones body composition.. aas is basically just an accessory.

but since this sounds like its your first cycle . . . u really need to run 1 compound and see how it affects you..
start w/ test IMO since its the only compound ur body can utilize as its own test. so find out how it affects your libido, bloat, gyno, and any other possible areas of ones physiology.. if all things are going well and u wanna harden up a lil .. throw in some win or var or something at the end to help illeviate water retention.

**deeznutts** · 05-25-2007, 12:31 PM

Thanks again.. good info

**taiboxa** · 05-25-2007, 12:34 PM

aye not bad for being loaded on painkillers and not knowing where im at eh? ><
i gots effed up neck, i ask dr. for muscle relaxers and he gives me HUGE painkillers.. GAY

**Saunacrank** · 05-25-2007, 12:39 PM

Here's what Taiboxa pm'd me. It was super helpful.

Taiboxa: sure can...
heres some pointers..
first u wanna figure out how many calls uneed to grow, search around there are calculators for this.
2ndly figure out ur macros i.e. how many carbs, pro, and fat you need.. usually a 50/30/20 split is wat works for me
50% pro /30% carbs /20%Fat
so i need bout 4200cals to grow as i have abuot 240lbs of LBM and i weigh around 275 at 5ft 11
so 2100 cals of protein = 525g protein
1260 cals from carbs = 315g carbs
840cals from fats = 94g Fats

i take these macros and break them up EQUALLY per meal so lets say im eating 6 meals a day sometimes 5 ***ending on my schedule and training sessions..
i would go for about
80-85g protein per meal
52g carbs per meal
and about 15g fat per meal

the trick is to keep all ur meals EQUAL so ur body KNOWS what to expect and keeps its metabolic rate up

now this is FOR ME and i been training for many years and most people dont have near the caloric needs i have... most people say eat 5k cals a day LOL thats ok i guess if u like to pack on the pudge.. but u need to find out what your maint cal intake is and then add about 300-500cals to it and refigure ur macros accordingly

diet is 80% of it.. training/rest and steroids together make up the other 20% so its obvoius DIET DICTATES EVERYTHING!
no matter how many workers u have.. if u dont have the bricks u cant build the house.

everyone is different and it takes time to figure out what works for you but i suggest you take the advice i gave, goto the diet forum.. find a calculator figure out ur caloric needs and start plugging together a diet. lay it out in there and they can help u quite a bit if you show u put forth the EFFORT to atleast construct a somewhat deceant eating regiment.

**deeznutts** · 05-26-2007, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by Saunacrank

Here's what Taiboxa pm'd me. It was super helpful.

Taiboxa: sure can...
heres some pointers..
first u wanna figure out how many calls uneed to grow, search around there are calculators for this.
2ndly figure out ur macros i.e. how many carbs, pro, and fat you need.. usually a 50/30/20 split is wat works for me
50% pro /30% carbs /20%Fat
so i need bout 4200cals to grow as i have abuot 240lbs of LBM and i weigh around 275 at 5ft 11
so 2100 cals of protein = 525g protein
1260 cals from carbs = 315g carbs
840cals from fats = 94g Fats

i take these macros and break them up EQUALLY per meal so lets say im eating 6 meals a day sometimes 5 ***ending on my schedule and training sessions..
i would go for about
80-85g protein per meal
52g carbs per meal
and about 15g fat per meal

the trick is to keep all ur meals EQUAL so ur body KNOWS what to expect and keeps its metabolic rate up

now this is FOR ME and i been training for many years and most people dont have near the caloric needs i have... most people say eat 5k cals a day LOL thats ok i guess if u like to pack on the pudge.. but u need to find out what your maint cal intake is and then add about 300-500cals to it and refigure ur macros accordingly

diet is 80% of it.. training/rest and steroids together make up the other 20% so its obvoius DIET DICTATES EVERYTHING!
no matter how many workers u have.. if u dont have the bricks u cant build the house.

everyone is different and it takes time to figure out what works for you but i suggest you take the advice i gave, goto the diet forum.. find a calculator figure out ur caloric needs and start plugging together a diet. lay it out in there and they can help u quite a bit if you show u put forth the EFFORT to atleast construct a somewhat deceant eating regiment.

Thanks for the help, I'm glad you posted it cuz I couldnt PM you