1st cycle was BAD / 2nd cycle???

[tyrell]

I started my very 1st cycle about a month and a half ago:
30mg dbol ed
400mg deca ew
250mg sustanon ew
10mg nolva ed

2 weeks in, I developed horrible chest pains, very fast heart rate, coulbnt sleep, thing just began to go south fast. I made the decision to stop everything then and there. I felt like dying for about 2 additional weeks and then began improving, slowly but surely. A month and a half later, I feel that I am back to 100%.

I feel that I just got on too many steroids for my frst cycle. What do you think? Gained 10lbs within 2 weeks.

My stats:
6'1"
195lbs (was 183lbs)
good diet
train 6 days/week
12% body fat
23 years old
training (seriously) for 1\2 year

Here's the question.

Should I attempt a second cycle. A better suited cycle of course. I was thinking dbol only for about 5-6 weeks. No more than 40mg a day, starting at 10mg a day the first week and building up from there.

[logen32]

Well the general rule of thumb is, first cycles should be test only, exactly for your reason, to see how u react to the steroid .

Im sure ppl with more experience will elaborate on this.

[beatango2008]

Search the forums dude there is alot of good information on there. I would not do a d-dol only cycle either if I were you because its hard on your liver and you will lose most if not all of your gains due to water retention.


If I were you I would not even be considering a cycle.
you should be making steady gains 6 months is not long at all to be training.
if your still not making progress check your diet. we have a great diet forum here post your diet for others to critic.

[Grappler13]

Well the general rule of thumb is, first cycles should be test only, exactly for your reason, to see how u react to the steroid .

Im sure ppl with more experience will elaborate on this.

Dude: way too many compounds for #1. It's good advice to stick to a single-e test for the first one......if I'm not mistaken, sust has 4 test compounds and then you have deca and dbol and Tamox. You can't tell what is messing with you when you do so many compounds. Stick to test-e or c or prop if you like to shoot EOD or ED and maybe throw the dbol in there as well. I took the tamox throughout but it is still another compound and can cause various sides. Keep it simple.

[taiboxa]

its rare that any of those symptoms actually arose from the AAS themselves, especially w/ the doses u were runnin being on the low end of the spectrum.. sounds more like a cross of anxiety attaks + stress.. possible placebo effect of aas inducing unforseen sides.. lots of people have issues ilke this when starting something new.. i.e. new job, new living environment, breaking up w/ a chica.. or wat ever..

[Grappler13]

its rare that any of those symptoms actually arose from the AAS themselves, especially w/ the doses u were runnin being on the low end of the spectrum.. sounds more like a cross of anxiety attaks + stress.. possible placebo effect of aas inducing unforseen sides.. lots of people have issues ilke this when starting something new.. i.e. new job, new living environment, breaking up w/ a chica.. or wat ever..

First cycle is very intense/fun mentally and physically but do you agree with me that the more substances, the more possibility of random sides? It's really his first cycle and I think it would be best to limit the number/amount of AAS. PCT and anti-gyno alone can add a couple of weird sides: HCG , Nolva, Clomid, clen .......... I agree with Tai that your sides were probably mostly pshychosomatic but you have a lot of time to run cycles and learn proper PCT. AND.....you can give us positive feedback about your experience with simple cycles. Believe me, 5-600mg/wk test-e and a little dbol at the beginning will be a HUGE first cycle.

[taiboxa]

First cycle is very intense/fun mentally and physically but do you agree with me that the more substances, the more possibility of random sides? It's really his first cycle and I think it would be best to limit the number/amount of AAS. PCT and anti-gyno alone can add a couple of weird sides: HCG, Nolva, Clomid, clen.......... I agree with Tai that your sides were probably mostly pshychosomatic but you have a lot of time to run cycles and learn proper PCT. AND.....you can give us positive feedback about your experience with simple cycles. Believe me, 5-600mg/wk test-e and a little dbol at the beginning will be a HUGE first cycle.

well yeah some people get 0 sides off tren while others die on tbol.. so who knows what will do what to who... best to take it 1 at a time in that scenerio.
a good guy on this forum bask8case posted bout low dose cycles i.e. 250mg/wk of test only and getting amazing results. so yeah who knows really lol

[jpeso]

...6 months