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06-07-2007, 04:03 PM #1
finally got everything in and wanted some input
stats 6'2" 195LBS, 9.5% BF 25YRS OLD. diet is on point, and i've been an avid lifter for my whole life. I'm trying to put on a clean 20 pounds with minimal sides and quick recovery. thanks in advance for input boys.
Week Deca
1-10 300mg
Test Cyp
1-10 400mg
Sstart PCT 15 days after last injections
Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day
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06-07-2007, 04:17 PM #2
The combonation of the AAS compounds used for the cycle and PCT are good, no problem there.
I would however increase the deca dosage to 400mg/wk, you can keep the test dosage the same or increase to 500mg/wk.
Also the durations could use a little tweaking. As you know 19-nor compounds will suppress the user more than any other family of AAS.
With that said, IMO you should run your Test 2 weeks longer than your 19-nor compound (deca), then wait 2 weeks and start PCT, this will ensure that the Deca is out of your system completely before starting PCT.
This will optimize your PCT, and should make for a more quicker recovery, than if you had the 19-nor in your system and ran the PCT.
~GHO5T~
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06-07-2007, 04:28 PM #3
great point.. i just re-read what you said and i need to change the question? waiting an extra two weeks after the extra two weeks of just test... will that be a problem for sides like gyno because of the deca ***leting for 4 weeks instead of 20days?
Last edited by SilverToungedDevil; 06-07-2007 at 04:31 PM.
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06-07-2007, 04:38 PM #4Originally Posted by SilverToungedDevil
Test will suppress your natural test levels to a certain degree, granted not as much as a 19-nor compound.
Test C or E will still be in your system even after discontinuation of the compound, i believe roughly 2 weeks or so. This is why its recommended that PCT start time is roughly 14 days after the last administration of Test E or C.
Starting PCT immediately after the last shot is IMO counter-productive, since the main goal of PCT is to bring your natural test levels up as quickly as possible.
But if you still have a compound (test) active in your system that is suppressing you to a certain degree, than your PCT isnt going to do much, since your natural T levels are being suppressed from one point, and your trying to raise them from another, this will come out as a stalemate.
Waiting 2 weeks for the Test to clear, and running a PCT will optimize results as there are no compounds in your system to suppress your natual T levels.
~GHO5T~
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06-07-2007, 04:50 PM #5
I found running HCG @ 500iu 5/2 during the last week of your cycle and for 2 weeks thereafter had me bounce back nicely.
(Anthony Roberts protocol for HCG)
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06-07-2007, 05:03 PM #6
very well thought out cycle IMO.
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06-07-2007, 10:18 PM #7
thanks ghost... you raise a great point. i think i'll extend the cyp for atleast a week and a half maybe two after my last deca shot. cheers
hey wizeguy... have you tried the hcg both ways?? just wandering if you noticed a difference in the rebound from doing it the way you suggested or just starting the hcg two weeks after your last inject.
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06-07-2007, 10:19 PM #8
thanks beast
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06-07-2007, 10:22 PM #9Originally Posted by SilverToungedDevil
~GHO5T~
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06-07-2007, 10:24 PM #10Originally Posted by GHO5T
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06-08-2007, 11:57 AM #11Originally Posted by Wizeguy
Last edited by Wizeguy; 06-08-2007 at 11:59 AM.
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06-08-2007, 02:27 PM #12
wizeguy....so 5days on 2 days off the last week of the cycle, then start pct with the hcg after the normal 2 week period or did you continue to take the hcg straight after your last injection?
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06-08-2007, 03:58 PM #13Senior Member
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The "Little Black Dress" of steroid cycles
Classic Combo of drugs, followed by a text-book perfect PCT:
The "Little Black Dress" of steroid cycles.
(MIGHT want to add a few weeks of front-loading with an oral... but that's just me.)
-BigLittleTim
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06-08-2007, 06:34 PM #14
thought about dbol .... but i think i'm just gonna front load my cyp the first week.... don't like the water retention from dbol. my diet is high cal but really clean so i maintain a pretty lean physique throughout, but i'm prone to retain water. maybe halo?? not really sure though. thanks for the input. cheers
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06-08-2007, 07:58 PM #15Originally Posted by SilverToungedDevil
Note: This HCG protocol is outlined in Roberts book under the "HCG" heading.
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06-08-2007, 08:05 PM #16
thanks bud... i should read through that again just to brush up on his studies... the guy is the man.
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