first cycle. need to be corrected wherever, please comment.

[notauser]

ok i'm considering between test e or prop so here are my cycles:

Test E:

200mg Test E 2x/week (shot Sat 10am and Tues 10pm exactly 3.5 days)
10mg nolva daily (not prone to gyno in my younger years)

PCT starts on the 14th day after last shot
using PCT protocol from http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=255196

2 weeks letro at 0.2mg/day (the only minor mod)
2 weeks clomid at 100mg/day, 2 weeks clomid at 50mg/day
4 weeks nolva at 20mg/day

(my letro is 50ml 2mg/ml so it's not gonna be easy getting 0.25mg)

Gyno reversal protocol from: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

i may taper up with 0.2mg on the first day as i've said before about the letro dosing. divisions of 0.5mgs SHOULD be ok (i've never actually seen a syringe before)

if 0.5mg is difficult to divide, i think the syringe should at least have divisions of 10s or 5s so i will taper up with:
0.4, 0.8, 1.6, 2.0, 2.4 and stay throughout. tapered down in the opposite fashion.

its said in the thread 20mg of nolva per day should cover rebound so after i get off letro i will run 20mg throughout instead of what is said, which is 20mg for 1 week then 10mg throughout. reason is because 10mg of nolva daily gave me gyno so i up it to 20mg/day.

other precautions:
nizoral shampoo used on head and face 3x a week
anti bacterial face wash used daily

injection info taken from: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=drawing+vial

will follow every step there.. as for injecting i will remember to aspirate and watch for no blood.

CYCLE OPTION 2
Test Prop:

100mg EOD
10mg nolva daily (not prone to gyno in my younger years)
PCT starts on the 3rd day after last shot.

all other precautions/protocols will be the same.

i need comments as well as corrections from the more experienced guys please! my preferred cycle was the test prop due to less water and less sides reported from reading around here, however i read further and my opinion of what was said is that EOD is "okay" while ED is the way to go. hence i'm leaning towards test E right now.

[pumpd4lif]

i would just be very careful with the letro it can be extremely toxic in hig dosages so try to get the mg rite on that bro

[SMAN12b]

What are your AGE, STATS, and GOALS for this cycle??


ED is much better for test prop, but some will do it EOD with no problems!

The choice is really yours.. Do you want to inject twice a week or ED??

The water retention (if a problem ) can be taken care of with an AI during the cycle like Arimidex.

If you are NOT prone to gyno and do not have signs of it now, you can hold off on taking the Nolva and just have it if you see signs.

[swole25]

i would drop the letro from PCT and use liquidex(.25 mgs/day 4 weeks) or aromasin(25mgs/day 4 weeks) instead. and i might drop the chlomid too as i don't like the sides it gives me. with a normal length cycle, a 1 month PCT with one AI(l-dex or aromasin)and one serm(nolva) should be sufficient.

[notauser]

ok some things i forgot to include:

the test prop cycle would be 8 weeks
test e cycle would be 10 weeks

5'6 165 lbs, 21 years, total 5 years training
first 2 years was bad, hardly grew. next 2 years was when i became more knowledgeable and tweaked my diet and began seeing good gains. the past year i managed to find my "sweet" spot in terms of diet and workout and managed more gains than the year before.

i have read everything about young people starting aas and i'm well aware of the dangers.. i have read stuff on this board betw 17-18, and betw 19-20 i just checked back once in a while.. spent a month here again for a "refresher". it would be a lie if i said i'm near my genetic potential (perhaps in another 3-5 years i would be) but i've done my research, managed to tweak my diet and workout to suit me and hope i won't get too many negative comments about this.

i don't know what's a realistic goal, but since test levels are going to be up 5-10x (i take average of 7.5), and natural gains each YEAR is said to be 5-10lbs lean (max of 10). so 7.5 * 10lbs / 5 = 15lbs of lean muscle. (divide by 5 because a year has 52 weeks and my cycles are around 10)

i THINK i can bear with the prop injection pain EOD since i won't hit each injection site more than once and i can always shoot a little higher or a little lower in which they don't cross. but i'm not so confident that i have enough sites to shoot for ED. i'm only confident of shooting in my thighs and glutes. as a first cycle i'm not sure how much pain i can take and i may not be used to jabs so do you think test enanthate would be the better route?

i will be reading all suggestions but may not be posting immediate responses as i will take them into consideration, research a bit more before responding here. but i take all suggestions into consideration!

[notauser]

i will get bloodwork done too, according to the guidelines posted here: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=255196

also i will look at test levels and consider if it's worth possibly screwing it because it'll probably never get higher than what's initially tested.. or i may wait out a few months and see if test levels are still rising at a good rate then i will not do the cycle.

all my wisdom teeth have grown at LEAST 2 years ago. they are beginning to show, i will get them removed before cycle so they don't interfere while on cycle. my height hasn't changed in 4 years and i highly doubt my frame has either. (frame in reference to bone structure) i will get my growth plates x-rayed if it falls under my health benefits of where i work at.

[BOUNCER 01]

If your not prone to gyno then you should leave out nolva and use it for pct. I find it can limit your gains while using nolva on cycle, but should be taken if you notice signs of gyno during cycle.

[notauser]

going through puberty i did have sore nipples at some point of time, but that was about it. so i guess i'd drop the nolva. suggestion taken.
i would still maintain my quantity of nolva for safety.

replacing letro with arimidex for the PCT portion. going with arimidex at 0.2mg/day for PCT. at the same time i will take 0.2mg/day if the bloating gets to me.

i'm at 10% BF so i believe i'm pretty primed for a cycle..

my diet will be 1.5g protein and 1.5g carbs per pound. healthy fats at 0.5g per lb. when my weight increases my food increases. i know some may say 1.5g carbs per pound is low but i'm not very carb tolerant. on cycle i wanna be gaining some fat each week to ensure that i am eating in excess so i may up my carbs on cycle if my condition doesn't get worse, but 1.5 is my base.