Lowest effective dose (with graphs)

[Myostatinus]

I also came across an interesting article, probably old news to the vets but interesting nonetheless:

The effect of anabolic steroids on lean body mass: the dose response curve.
Metabolism. 1985 Jun;34(6):571-3
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum

There was a nice graph that showed the linear dose-response curve from 2500 to 10000 total mg in a cycle. At More than 10 000 total mg the response curve was tapering off.

Here is the graph in question


I've placed the whole study on rapidshare:
http://rapidshare.com/files/38573451...curve.pdf.html

What is particularly revealing here:
the star represents teenage Testtosterone levels, no need to juice they're already at the top of the curve.

The dianabol dose (square) and the anavar doses (black circle) are both inline with the testosterone doses (white circle). Even though Anavar is considered "weak" and dianabol is considered "strong".

What I'm understanding from this is that from the point of view of total lean body mass increases a mg is a mg is a mg, in essence 5000mg of test in 5, 10 or 20 weeks should give similar results.

This is rather counter-intuitive, but warrants some discussion I think.

[Atomini]

Can you upload it to speedyshare.com as well? I can't get it off rapidshare.

[Myostatinus]

Can you upload it to speedyshare.com as well? I can't get it off rapidshare.

there you go:
http://www.speedyshare.com/656178482.html

[Atomini]

Excellent, thanks.

[Myostatinus]

Seems that 250 mg test per week for 10 weeks is the bare minimum for discernable effects. Test 500mg/wk for 10 weeks would fall in the middle, and say 500mg test + 500mg deca per week (or maybe 75mg prop+ 75mg tren ED for 10 weeks or again 100mg prop + 100mg tren ED for 7 weeks ) would fall at the end of the curve. Anything more would be a waste according to this.

[skipp]

Diminishing returns, nothing new.

[broken7]

I know this is an old thread but does anyone have a working link to the full text?