New to Weightlifting..Need Help..

[Wigwam]

I've been athletic all my life, but mainly in a more cardio way. Played basketball, ran, and played all other sports on the side. However, I never have done much in the weightlifting area and am read to. I'm a small guy, 6' 150lbs. I want to bulk up and gain a lot of strength and as quickly as possible. I've questioned around on here a little into taking Anadrol or Diabol. I'd like to start with a quick bulking oral, instead of injection yet. I haven't started anything yet, but am wondering what would be my best avenue to pursue, and what supplements to go along with it, I've already got a pretty good bulking diet from a few bodybuilders that I know, now I just need to know what supplements to bulk me up even more. (sorry to those who think I've posted too much already, being this is my 6th posted thread, I'm just not a patient person and need information.)

[Panzerfaust]

At 6' 150lbs..you have no business taking any form of AAS bottom line!

Go ahead and get it out of your head. You need to learn how to eat and train properly first and you should esily be able to hit 180's naturally.

If you have tried and failed, then I would say your diet sucked.

Stop and think about it, you do not get big or ripped because of AAS. Your diet and training are the key factors in determining the results you will get.

Whats the point of taking AAS if you don't know how to eat or train properly? Trsut me, wait awhile.

[Wigwam]

So I need to wait until I get my weight up??

[mkrulic]

I think what hes saying is w/o proper diet you wont see much. orals alone lead to problems. get some time in the diet forum and you'll see better results then an oral only cycle w/ bad diet

[longhorn814]

please post your "bulking" diet for us to critique. At 150lbs, you dont need steroids , you need to eat. If you cant gain naturally, then you wont get much from steroids. Here is an example of a good bulking diet...

UNoffical "How to Bulk" thread and sample diet...

[Panzerfaust]

Stay positive man, its not the end of the world. Just give it some time and then later add the AAS, trust us. You will thank us in the long run.

[millionairemurph]

Yeah you should be able to gain 30 lbs mininum without sides or any chance of screwing up your hpta (do you know what that is?), diet and excersise. Diet is the key, not roids.

[lilripped]

There is no quick fix here bro. Diet is the key. There is a ton of useful info in the diet section on this board. Check it out.

[kynetguy]

Foodadrol
Primobologna
Bananavar

That is the compounds you need. :-)

The thing to remember about steroids is they only push you beyond your natural ability to gain. Without the diet and training, you have no building blocks. You should be able to get to 175 with a good diet and proper training within a year.

Set your goals at that.

There are lots of supplements you could take that people get great results from. NO Explode is very popular, any quality whey protien shakes are good, Cytogainer shakes are good to boost clean calorie intake. (of course, combined with a PROPER diet. . .chicken nuggets from MCD's do NOT count as clean. lol

[kynetguy]

Also, there is no silver bullet. You will not find a magic supplement to get you looking like Ronnie Coleman. The only way to get there is to start from nothing and work. Its a long road. But its a journey worth taking.

And honestly, when you look in the mirror and know that you built a mountain out of a mole hill by eating right and working hard, your ego and attitude will be through the roof. Once you go to the dark side, you can never make the claim that you did it all naturally with good food and hard work. . .it all gets tainted when you use AAS. LOL

[lilripped]

Foodadrol
Primobologna
Bananavar

That is the compounds you need. :-)

The thing to remember about steroids is they only push you beyond your natural ability to gain. Without the diet and training, you have no building blocks. You should be able to get to 175 with a good diet and proper training within a year.

Set your goals at that.

There are lots of supplements you could take that people get great results from. NO Explode is very popular, any quality whey protien shakes are good, Cytogainer shakes are good to boost clean calorie intake. (of course, combined with a PROPER diet. . .chicken nuggets from MCD's do NOT count as clean. lol

I loves me some cytogainer. For post workout shake that is.

[kynetguy]

I loves me some cytogainer. For post workout shake that is.

I cant drink it. Too thick. I have about 2/3 of a container of Cookies and Cream.

[lilripped]

I cant drink it. Too thick. I have about 2/3 of a container of Cookies and Cream.

Are you mixing it with milk? I find that if I mix it with almost a full bottle of water it goes down smooth and doesn't give me rock belly like most of the weight gainers out there.

[test_cyp]

Plus you said you were new to lifting. You haven't even established a lifting routine and do not know how your body responds yet to training volume.

Once you have a solid routine down, then you can add supps, creatine, no-xplode, drop sets, etc. But listen to what they say about diet. It's pretty much the determining factor of your success.

Take it slow and educate yourself first. Pic up some magazines, read this board, etc.

[Titleist]

I never have done much in the weightlifting area I'm a small guy, 6' 150lbs. I want to bulk up and gain a lot of strength and as quickly as possible. I'm just not a patient person

That's really all I got out of your post.

Bettering yourself takes time, patience, effort, discipline, and dedication. There is no quick fix, get that in your head now.

Let's say you took a cycle of Dianabol . You would likely gain 10-15 pounds of mainly water, and most likely you would experience some extreme bloat because you don't know what foods to eat. Over time you would lose nearly all of your gains because you do not know how to eat to grow/maintain. This is wasting money, plain and simple.

Post your diet up for critiquing in the diet forum and spend some time training.

How old are you?

[Joemeek]

Think i said this before somewhere but taking AS is the easiest part of bodybuilding but don't think because of that, that it's the first thing you should take. You really need to eat and train properly first, cause if this is something you can't keep up, it's better to find out first. The AS will do nothing if those factors aint in place.
AS is the last thing you take, not the first thing.

[kynetguy]

Think i said this before somewhere but taking AS is the easiest part of bodybuilding but don't think because of that, that it's the first thing you should take. You really need to eat and train properly first, cause if this is something you can't keep up, it's better to find out first. The AS will do nothing if those factors aint in place.
AS is the last thing you take, not the first thing.

Good points. Diet is definately the hardest for me. I LOVE to eat. But eating clean is SO hard for me personally. I love me some fried pork chops, mashed potatos and gravy. Yes, I know. Total garbage. But it tastes SOOOOOO good.

So yea, I agree. Poping a needle in my delt, leg, ass is very easy. Avoiding the temptation of years of "country" style eating is very difficult.

[10nispro]

This may sound petty, but I didn't see age in the original post from wigwam. Two of the most important things I have learned on this board, from the experienced gods on this board is first get your diet under control and don't use before your body is ready.(don't start to young)

[purple-ronnie]

I used to be skinny until i was given this advice :-

Eat loads
No Cardio
Heavy weights = sets of 8, 6 & 4

I put on a stone in a month without the aid of Steroids , if your naturally skinny the weight you put on should be mostly muscle, but steroids are not the way to go when you have only just started up weight lifting, give it e few years of naturally putting on weight before you even think about steroids.

[PEWN]

train,... low reps... eat a ton of food....

[Wigwam]

Hey Guys, I appreciate all the info. I'm 21 for those who asked. I have started the weightlifting, few reps, heavy weight. Working out one on and one off, hitting the different mucle groups once a week. Eating more, working on the eating right thing, just not financially able to throw away the bad stuff to buy the good stuff to replace it yet. Drinking lots of milk and water, eating some peanut butter sandwiches, eggs, and finishing off the last of my "pizza rolls, hot pockets, and chicken alfredo." I'm taking creatine capsules, which are 7 capsules a day with a total of 5mg of monocreatine. Drinking protein shakes that get me around 50-75 extra grams of protein. At 150lbs, how many grams of protein and carbs do y'all think is needed?? I'll post the same questions in dieting, but didn't know if the same helpful people would be on there as there is in here. Also, a friend of mine who is in very good shape, used to be small like me, he did a small cycle of "drol" when he first started lifting. Told me he did 25mg a day, for 4 weeks, and it helped him get into lifting shape. He is about 6'2" 225lbs. and very strong, but not very cut, lots of water weight it would seem to me. Any ideas?

[jerseyboy]

Bananavar... that's a good one. Your a funny guy Kynet.

[the big lebowski]

Hey Guys, I appreciate all the info. I'm 21 for those who asked. I have started the weightlifting, few reps, heavy weight. Working out one on and one off, hitting the different mucle groups once a week. Eating more, working on the eating right thing, just not financially able to throw away the bad stuff to buy the good stuff to replace it yet. Drinking lots of milk and water, eating some peanut butter sandwiches, eggs, and finishing off the last of my "pizza rolls, hot pockets, and chicken alfredo." I'm taking creatine capsules, which are 7 capsules a day with a total of 5mg of monocreatine. Drinking protein shakes that get me around 50-75 extra grams of protein. At 150lbs, how many grams of protein and carbs do y'all think is needed?? I'll post the same questions in dieting, but didn't know if the same helpful people would be on there as there is in here. Also, a friend of mine who is in very good shape, used to be small like me, he did a small cycle of "drol" when he first started lifting. Told me he did 25mg a day, for 4 weeks, and it helped him get into lifting shape. He is about 6'2" 225lbs. and very strong, but not very cut, lots of water weight it would seem to me. Any ideas?

dude drop the idea of steroids from ur head. listen to what everyone here is telling u. ur diet sux to put it bluntly cause u obviously dont know if ur even getting in enough cals to put on any weight.
also just some guy u know took dbols and "claims" it helped him get started doesnt mean its a good idea or that it will do the same for u
bottom line u neeeeeeed to work on ur diet .

[kynetguy]

Bananavar... that's a good one. Your a funny guy Kynet.

There are so many people on this board who are overdosing on Tren that someone has to bring some humor to the table yet still give sound advice.

I try not to get too serious about myself. Laughter is great medicine.

[Sir Lifts-a-lot]

eat eat eat, then after you have thrown up from overeating the chicken breast and tuna, eat a little more. Oh and the real secret to retaining all the protein and muscle building nutrients is not to poop. Hold it all in! Neve EVER allow yourself to poop out any of it. Guranteed to put on Coleman size!

[kynetguy]

eat eat eat, then after you have thrown up from overeating the chicken breast and tuna, eat a little more. Oh and the real secret to retaining all the protein and muscle building nutrients is not to poop. Hold it all in! Neve EVER allow yourself to poop out any of it. Guranteed to put on Coleman size!

IS that why Ronnie is so big? He is full of shit?

[jerseyboy]

Laughter is great medicine.

You can say that again. With all my daily stress I don't get to laugh very often but you always crack me up. I actually just dropped the tren myself after 10 weeks. I miss it.

[kynetguy]

You can say that again. With all my daily stress I don't get to laugh very often but you always crack me up. I actually just dropped the tren myself after 10 weeks. I miss it.

I manage IT (computer) people and a large corporate network. My day too is stressful. I come here to learn, share knowledge and blow off steam.

I am glad that I make (some) people laugh. Life is too short to be stressed and serious all the time.

[J0k3R]

omg thats effin hilarious! lol i agree with u kynetguy, life is takin too seriously