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    First Cyle Expectations?

    Hi,

    Iv'e been training solid for 2 years all the time working on getting the big three up 250/405/325 and getting stronger with each workout, as im nearly 30 and been itching to see what the fuss is about with AAS iv'e decided to do a mild 12 week cycle of Test E @ 500mg per week along with D-Bol to front end for the first 4 weeks @ 30-50mg ED.As such I have a few questions I was hoping some of you more experianced ASS users could help me with?


    1.) As Im curently 230lbs @ 16-18% BF my plan was to start a 12 week 500mg Test+ dbol mass builder than do PCT wait a while and shed the lard on something like Test+Var anyone see a problem with this idea?

    2.)What sort of strength gains could be made realisticaly while on for the big three? 10kg-20kg on the main lifts given correct training/rest/recovery was my expectation, am I way off base here?

    3.)On a side note as someone with Vat/Cortisol and Insulin resitance would ASS aid or hinder these conditions?

    Thank's
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    First off your BF% is really high if I were you I would drop to atleast 9-10% (I usually drop to about 7%) before cycling just eat lean and do a lot of cardio. I had great results with D-bol and Test-C about a 28lb gain kept around 20lbs and thanks to the D-bol my strength went up drastically even in the first week! And as for the AAS hindering your insulin resistance studies have shown that AAS can promote insulin resistance.

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    all in all if you do everything right, seeing its your first cycle, id say you at least keep 15lbs.

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    atleast it looks like you researched. That is rare these days before people post. If you get down to atleast 12% body fat you will be ok. Good luck.

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    Thank's guys, Anyone got an idea of the sort of realistic strength gains that could be made as well?

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    just outta curiosity why does bf dictate cycle start time? lol
    if he is 12% will his gains be better htan say if he is 14-15%?

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    ^^^funnily enough ive cycled at both 12 and 14% and for me the gains just look better at 12% thats all

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    Quote Originally Posted by scaramouche
    ^^^funnily enough ive cycled at both 12 and 14% and for me the gains just look better at 12% thats all
    all bout cosmetics eh? lol

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    both test-e and dbol promote strength dbol being the stronger compound
    If I had to guess I would with this cycle if your benching 300lbs now i would say a 20-30% gain in weight would be somewhat accurate.
    when I started 8 yrs ago i did 250mg of sust a week for 8 weeks and my bench went from 185 to 245lbs...good luck

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    1) take it once cycle at a time bud, focus on this first cycle, you should make great gains with proper diet/training

    2) everyone is different but should gain at least 20kg on your lifts with a first cycle....but too many variables to give you a real answer

    3) ASS is never a bad thing, unless theres cellulite involved...

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