Would like to add Dianbol to a currentb stack-Need expertise

[Bodangles]

Hi:

I'm a new member on board and would like to say hi!!

I have a current stack consiting of 500mg of Injectable Test Sust on a Monday plus a 200mg of injectable Nadralone deca taken on a Friday. Both
are ok products for strength and anti-joint pain but aren't doing me any favours with adding much size. The stack before this was 250mg of Test Sust + 200mg Deca per week which also did little for growth. I'm starting
to wonder if the oils are any good at size building?

I have been advised to add iether HGH or Dianabol /50mg/day to this stack
which will definetly promote good growth. Before I do that I'm asking the experienced users in here for some help and advice.


At the end of cycle (10 weeks) I take the following:
-Injectable Novarel (10 injections)
-Clomid 1 55mg cap/day
-Oxandralone 2 caps 20mg/day
These kick start my system and while waiting for the next stack the oxandralone keeps muscle size and strength.

Many thanks in advance.
Bo

[Big]

you will need to post your stats and goals to get much input.

[Bodangles]

Stats
-190lbs 9%bf
-age 44
-5'-9"

Deadlift 575 2 reps
Bench press 350 2reps
Squat 500 3 reps


I've been lifting for 15 years no steroids and started on them this past February. I competed last year and placed fifth in 2 categories as a first time
amatuer.
My goal is to increase/proportion out certain body parts and end up with a lean body mass 5% BF at 185lbs within 6 months time. From there I am only interested in tuning my body with the aim of getting good symetry overall.
A Frank Zane approach.

[longhorn814]

what is your diet like? how many calories do you eat a day? How many come from protein, fat, and carbs? These are things you need to know. If youre not growing, youre not eating enough simple as that. Even if your gear was fake, eating to bulk, you should still grow a bit. HGH will do next to nothing for adding mass either. There are some flaws in the way your cycle is laid out and your PCT too..i suggest you do a little more research. You should really shoot sust at least twice a week, some even advocate every other day. The deca dose is really low too. At least double it. I dont know what novarel is? How long to you plan on taking clomid? Do not take oxandrolane during PCT either...it will defeat the purpose of trying to restore your natural test production

[BuffDJ]

what is your diet like? how many calories do you eat a day? How many come from protein, fat, and carbs? These are things you need to know. If youre not growing, youre not eating enough simple as that. Even if your gear was fake, eating to bulk, you should still grow a bit. HGH will do next to nothing for adding mass either. There are some flaws in the way your cycle is laid out and your PCT too..i suggest you do a little more research. You should really shoot sust at least twice a week, some even advocate every other day. The deca dose is really low too. At least double it. I dont know what novarel is? How long to you plan on taking clomid? Do not take oxandrolane during PCT either...it will defeat the purpose of trying to restore your natural test production

Bump This. I agree. You need to eat. Also the sust looks good but did you say your only doing 200mg of deca. You need to bump that up to atleast 400mg for good results IMHO. If you are going to do the dbol then go for it. 50mg/ed is good but remember if you not eating enough you wasting your time and money
Buff

[Bodangles]

Hi Longhorn...the Novarel is another name for the Gonad my cycle provider tells me its used to kick start my natural test production.

My protein intake is 300grams per day spread over 6 meals, carb intake is 220
and fat is 50-70 grams. Asking experienced people like you guys is a way to affirm my own R&D so I really appreciate your input it is invaluable.
I have a faster metabolism would you suggest upping the carbs and lowering the protein?

The advice you're giving me guys is very good thats what I was looking for. Its interesting that you mention the deca being too low my research tells me the same thing. I would like to add I have been relying on a proffessional for my gear, and I told him to bump it for this latest stack, but I think he has been playing it too safe.

I will relay your comments and see if he's wiling to change things around.

[longhorn814]

Here is a good example of how to eat to bulk

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010

Definitely do not drop your protein, but up your carbs for sure

I would start reading here about how to do a proper PCT and get your test production back when you stop...it doesnt sound like you know how to do that properly just yet

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=77

[Bodangles]

Thank you Longhorn...excellent advice. Perhaps I can return some training advice I recently received from Frank Zane? I just returned from a 3 day one on one training seminar 2 weeks ago. I think he may have shaved years off my training.

Let me know if there is anything I can offer?

[Bodangles]

Also after reading the PCT recommendations described in the forum link they are considerably different than what I've been told by my medical advisor. I'm beginning to realize the medical proffession may be part of the problem by not understanding these products on the whole.

Again much appreciated.
I'll digest this information and formulate a plan of action.

Many thanks!
Bo

[scottish]

I would also break up my sust shots. Your blood levels arent staying consistent shooting 500mg once a week.

[Bodangles]

I started doing that this past week Scottish...thanks!

[The Punnisher]

Sust needs to be shot at least every third day. It seems to work best though, shot every other day, but I'd take it 750 mgs a week. If you want anything other than just joint relief out of the Deca, you'll need at least 400 mgs per week. I don't think that the oils are your problem, I think your dosages and spread are your problem.
Do more research next time man, you have waisted a lot of gear.

If you still want to add D-Bol, I'd run 30 - 40 mgs a day separated into 3 dosages for no longer than 4 weeks.

[scottish]

No problem bodangles. I have been taking my sust everyday. Gets kinda old having to do it every damn day, but it seems to keep the blood levels more consistent according to a graph someone posted up awhile back.