what would you do?

[androbolic_09]

What would be the better choice?

wk 1-10 Test C 500mg/ew with frontload
1-8 dbol 25mg/ed

or
1-10 of test c 500mg w frontload
1-10 deca 400mg

Prolly with the deca, but want some opinions.

[BuffDJ]

I like deca so I would have to go with option 2
Buff

[androbolic_09]

I like deca so I would have to go with option 2
Buff

Thanks for your input Buff. I still cant really decide, cuz the dbol is more than a jumpstart, i would be running it for more than 4 weeks, so i could possibly squeeze more muscle out of it while the test is fully kicking, instead of just seeing results first, then have the mass come from just test. And i think that would kinda make more sense than running it for four weeks, stopping for two then starting the last four, cuz its already working, so keep it going. And the deca would take as long as the test to kick in and not leave alot of time to build up mass.

[bigsexy9917]

switch the test to enanthate for 12 wks, dbol wks 1-4 25 or 50mgED, deca wks 1-10 or even 12! but thats just me!
what are your goals, stats, is this your first cycle ect.?

[kimiboy]

I agree with bigsexy....

Personally, I don't like cyp. too much, I seem to retain a bit more water then I want, and seems because of that my BP is just a tad bit higher then with enanthate. I would also prefer the dbol over deca, but that is purely a personal preferences too.

I second bigsexys question, what are you stats and goals....that's a big one?

[androbolic_09]

Well im 5'7" 142lbs. I know im small, and im waiting before i start the cycle, i just want to get everything planned out first. Plus, this is my first true real cycle, cuz i really don't want to count the tbol one that im on because i want to finish it out, because its too late to stop. Im gonna PCT this one and wait to get a bit better base. Plus ive got a SHORT, SMALL, and LIGHT frame size, and i dont gain weight that easy. So 160 would probably be my genetic max.

My goal is to be around 170 w/ at least 10% bf or less. Dont really want to be frakishly big, but more than ur average joe.

[bigsexy9917]

i would still go with the enanthate wks 1-12, dbol 1-4, and deca 1-10 or even 12. keep your doses the same, and have proper PCT ready and on hand...DIET CLEAN AND EAT LOTS......AND DUDE....READ READ READ...there are a tone of educational posts out there that will clear that question up for you no problem!! i know i speak for many when i say i enjoy giving my advice...but never stop reading, never stop learning!!

[androbolic_09]

i would still go with the enanthate wks 1-12, dbol 1-4, and deca 1-10 or even 12. keep your doses the same, and have proper PCT ready and on hand...DIET CLEAN AND EAT LOTS......AND DUDE....READ READ READ...there are a tone of educational posts out there that will clear that question up for you no problem!! i know i speak for many when i say i enjoy giving my advice...but never stop reading, never stop learning!!

Man i've read almost every day for the past month. And ive learned loads of info. Thats why i want to make the real first cycle as good as can be.

[bigsexy9917]

good stuff keep up the good work! and good luck, maybe post some pics to update us on your progress!! you have my opinion, i would wait for others to post theres as well but that is my opinion for now!

[bbuff]

Theres no real difference between running test e and test c, and your supposed to stop your deca 2 weeks before your test... at least as far as I know, someone correct me if im wrong.

[androbolic_09]

thanx for all ur help bros. And buff, u mention that test e and c are no real diff. Thats why i am sticking with cyp bcuz its cheaper from my source, and ill use letro if the water gets too bad. And im gonna drop the deca. Either do just dbol w/ the cyp, or get EQ for some lean gains. PLus itll make me eat like an ethiopian kid at a free buffet.

[bigsexy9917]

agreed...i was just using my personal opinion with personal experience, im a big fan of enanthate...and yes the deca should be stopped 2 weeks before the test, which is why i put wks 1-10, i sometimes go all the way through because i will cruise and just lower my test after week 12, which would be the same as finishing the deca before your finished the test anyways!

[bbuff]

^^ sounds good. I basically ran the same cycle for my first cycle. It was 500mg of Test E/week and 50mg of dbol ed for 4 weeks. You should be able to put on some good size if your diets in check.

[androbolic_09]

^^ sounds good. I basically ran the same cycle for my first cycle. It was 500mg of Test E/week and 50mg of dbol ed for 4 weeks. You should be able to put on some good size if your diets in check.

So u ran test E for 4 weeks and got results? Damn ur a freak of nature!! J/k so did u run it for 10 or 12 weeks? Do 2 weeks make that big of a difference?
And i really don't have a set in stone macro ratio, but i do get in my protein requirements, and i eat really clean, and get around to over 3000 cal a day. Im not underestimating or lying about the clean foods though.

[bbuff]

My bad...I ran the Test E for 12 weeks. Don't know if the 2 weeks will make much of a difference, but I know that I was putting on some good size throughout my cycle and I actually added a few pounds during my PCT too.

[androbolic_09]

^^no problem. Thanx for ur help though. I think ill go with 10 weeks, and if i want more, go for 12, if gains keep coming. Plus in ur PCT, the first week, u still have high test levels, so ur still anabolic. Im gonna get some t3 too to keep the fat away, and keep my gains during PCT.