any possible tweeking in cycle

**john vega** · 07-06-2007, 12:11 PM

hey guyz. hope all is well. i have gear and am almost certain about the structure of my cycle. i need just an opinion or constructive criticism.

my stats are 5 feet 9 inches , 185 pounds. done several cycles(dbol , sus, enanthate , prop, deca , eq). i would like to build and maintain aesthetics the same time. pls lemme know what u think:

weeks 1-4 d-bol 30-40 mgs ed
1-12 eq 600 mgs/300 mon/300 thurs
1-12 test e. 250 mgs mon/250 thurs
1-12 test prop. 100 mgs eod
8-12 var-50 mgs ed

weeks 1-12 nolva 10 mgs ed

pct. anthony roberts pct. question though. if i cant get aramosin, wud clomid suffice in addition to the hcg and vit e. if so, i read up, but still not too sure when to start the aramosin and vit e and hcg. 14 days after test e..or 3 days after test prop. all help is very appreciated.

**Johny-too-small** · 07-06-2007, 12:17 PM

Imo, it looks like you have too many compounds. I dont understand the need for prop and enan throughout the entire cycle. Whats your logic? Id understand if you kickstart w/ prop or something....
Anyway, is this a bulker or a cutter? Whats your goals?

**sonnygll** · 07-06-2007, 12:30 PM

Several cycles and you are 185? You might want to considering having a look at the diet and training areas and seeing what you can tweak there.

I will also say you do need to run an AI the whole time. They are easy to get.
PCT is 2 weeks after last test injection. No point going from when the prop wears off since your levels with be elevated form the E.

**getbig32** · 07-06-2007, 12:43 PM

yeah i agree with above dont run the prop. or just jump start with it.

**Njord** · 07-06-2007, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by sonnygll

Several cycles and you are 185? You might want to considering having a look at the diet and training areas and seeing what you can tweak there.

I will also say you do need to run an AI the whole time. They are easy to get.
PCT is 2 weeks after last test injection. No point going from when the prop wears off since your levels with be elevated form the E.

I don't think you necessarily need to run an AI (or SERM) during cycle just because. I would definately have them on hand in case unwanted side effect occur.
My last cycle I started on Letro, then went to Aromasin . After a few week I just stopeed taking the Aromasin, because I didn't think I needed it (I didn't). Currently running TPP, NPP and Winny without an AI and no problems (I am running Proviron @ 50mg pr day however

**john vega** · 07-06-2007, 01:30 PM

thankx for suggestions. wud this suffice:

weeks 1-4 test prop 100 mgs eod (kick start)
1-12 test e. 250 mgs mon, thurs
8-12 var 50 mgs ed

1-12 nolva 10 mgs daily

**john vega** · 07-06-2007, 01:34 PM

oops. 4got weeks 1-12 eq at 450 mgs weely

**passthetest** · 07-06-2007, 01:36 PM

ya that looks good maybe even do the prop ed for first 4 weeks if youd like

**john vega** · 07-06-2007, 02:37 PM

thankx bro useful info. i was wondering if i shud run masteron enanthate instead of var for weeks 8-12. i am preidsposed to male pettern baldness and guess im not certain if this would exasperbate my condition. wud this be a better option than var to harden. or shud i stick with the var. gettn gear isnt a problem.

**Kratos** · 07-06-2007, 02:41 PM

keep the var and keep your hair. Masteron and hair don't like each other. Also get some dutasteride .25-.5mg a day.

**john vega** · 07-06-2007, 02:52 PM

LOL. nice.. thankx bro. yeah..i really dont like the idea of walking around with a friigin halo on the top of my head. appreciate ur insight. brother.

stay big bro

**sonnygll** · 07-08-2007, 12:52 AM

Letro is really strong, so it probably got your levels quite low. Then the aromasin held it there until you stopped taking it. Then it just never got high enough to cause a problem. Letro is more for if you are prone to gyno. I would run something milder. I'm sure plenty of people go without and have no problem. I wouldn't risk it on myself though. I'd be quite unhappy if I started growing tits. Besides that he was talking like he wasn't even going to have any around.

BG · 07-08-2007, 08:47 AM

If your going to start with prop why not end with and start pct sooner, less time to give your hormones to crash and prop at the end hardens you up a bit. Oh ya, run the prop at the end 2 weeks longer then the eq and save your money with the var , get some winny, at 50 imo its not worth it.

**buffgator** · 07-08-2007, 10:47 AM

keep the eq at 600mg per week

**john vega** · 07-09-2007, 08:04 AM

hey big gunz. those arms are pretty f----n lethal looking. u shud have them registered..LOL. look gtreat dude. and thankx 4 the advice..but i just have a question maybe u or sum 1 cud shed some light on. first off, it sounds great to end off with winny as a bridge..but my question is , im extremely sensitive to male pattern DISEASED baldness. will winny affect this..and can sum 1 provide me with a list if compounds to alternate with as a BRIDGE other than VAR..which will affect me the least...

**canadian meat** · 07-09-2007, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by BigGuns101

If your going to start with prop why not end with and start pct sooner, less time to give your hormones to crash and prop at the end hardens you up a bit. Oh ya, run the prop at the end 2 weeks longer then the eq and save your money with the var , get some winny, at 50 imo its not worth it.

Agree with switch var for winny will see much more from it.

**john vega** · 07-09-2007, 08:15 AM

also, in repsonse to big gunz, just so i have a better idea of what you were talking about...is that comparabale to what u were saying

weeks 1-10 t prop 100 mgs eod
1-10 t enanthate 500 mgs ew
1-10 var 50 mgs ed (since i dont know if winny will aggravate pre-existing conditionon of hair loss)

pct week 14 thru---anthony roberts

is this more along the lines of what u were talking about..im a little uncertain about devising the weeks and how to split it up to shorten it as you mentioned. and ur right..i dont wanna have my hormones crash on me.. so id like to shorten it but not certain if this sounds proper..

**john vega** · 07-09-2007, 08:17 AM

damn..4 got weeks 1-12 eq at 600 mgs ew. didnt mean to confuse anyone. my coffee hasent kicked in yet. but hopefully my anabolic levels will.LOL

**john vega** · 07-09-2007, 08:58 AM

anybody have comments that cud help me out??

**buffgator** · 07-09-2007, 09:21 AM

i just find it real funny that your title is "Any possible tweeking in cycle" I first saw it and thought you probably should not tweek during a cycle if you want results.

**passthetest** · 07-09-2007, 10:26 AM

why prop and test e both for 10 wks?

**john vega** · 07-09-2007, 11:01 AM

little indecision here fellas about the prop and enanthate for 10 weekx. was wondering if sum 1 cud reformat or critique this:

weeks1-4 test prop. 75 mgs ed (jump start)
1-10 eq. frontloading at 600mgs twice a week for 2 weeks. than maintaining at 600 mgs a week for the remainding 8 weeks.
1-12 test enanthate at 500 mgs ew
8-12 var @ 50 mgs ed or shud i run prop from weeks 8 all the way to week 14 where pct will start. (guess heres where my confusion comes from guyz). whether or not to take Var from weeks 8-12 and start pct 2 weeks after, whether or not to take var from weeks 8-12 and prop for weeks 12-14 than start pct...or finally what im leaning more towarsd is just knocking out var at week 8 and throwing in prop at 100 mgs eod from weeks 8-14 and start pct 3 days later.
thankx for patience guyz.this cycle really needs to be started and i appreciate everyones help. one hand washes the other and both hands wash the face. stay big!!! cheers fellas

**Kratos** · 07-09-2007, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by buffgator

i just find it real funny that your title is "Any possible tweeking in cycle" I first saw it and thought you probably should not tweek during a cycle if you want results.

lol, yeah don't tweek on cycle or off

**john vega** · 07-09-2007, 11:07 AM

overture wud look like this

weeks 1-10 eq frontloading at 6oo mgs twice per week;(than staying at 300 mgs twice a week)
1-12 test. enan. 500 mgs twice a week
8-14 test prop. 100 mgs eod.

start anthony roberts pct 3 days after last prop shot.

does this sound about right? p.s. will have nolva on hand in case of gyno. cant get aramosin from my doc. what can i alternate that with . any suggestions??

**john vega** · 07-09-2007, 12:08 PM

guys, i just wanna bring this cycle to a head already. remember, the only dumb question is NO question to avoid errors and problems. i revised the cycle. the cycle i chose is the one i just recently proposed above. id just like to know if i cud throw in the prop from weeks 8-14 and start pct 3 dayz later . thats all. overall, does it look ok. will the prop suppress my hpta at the weeks id like to throw it in from 8-14.
id really appreciate it to hear evryones comments on that cycle. were all here 4 the same reasone brothers.

**john vega** · 07-09-2007, 01:52 PM

hey bros,

i understand about the time on=time off protocol and i commend the logic. but i have a question and was wondering if anyone goes on cruise periods in between off cycles on low dosages of test like primobolan or var or maybe even IGF and gh. basically compounds that dont disturb or ratha supress your HPTA levels to have to initiate another PCT protocol. dont know if anyone introduces an anabolic compound amongst lets say NO2 and glutamine during the off cycyling period.