Short Cycle Bulk Program INPUT PLEASE

[BEAR101]

I will be starting this cycle at the end of the summer....

right now im 5 10 201 pounds with 8% bf

Ill be doing short heavy cycles 4 weeks on 4 weeks off and ill be doing that 3 times. Heres what it will look like i dont know if im goin to use test prop or test e pleae give me some input. If test e will work about the same as long as i front load i would prefer that to save on injections.

wks1-4 test prop 100mg ed with a first day front load of 500mg or test e 1000 a wk with a 2000mg first day front load
wks1-4 d-bol 50mg ed
wks1-4 Igf-1 50mcg everytraing day (5-6days a week)

pct will be clomid and armidex

thats what each short cycle will look like ill will list the gear i have on hand incase u can suggest nething else

6 20ml vials of test prop
6 20ml vials of test e
100 winny tabs 50mg
112 dbol 50mg tabs
4 1ml vials of Igf
6 20ml vials of EQ

[Geeezer]

Id run the prop.
The test E will start to kick in when you come off in 4 weeks.Save it.
EQ I would run for 10 weeks min.
D Bal and Winnie at the same time? what about your liver?

[Schmidty]

I would run the prop but i HATE long esters. I think front loading is BS, it didnt do a thing for me.

[buffgator]

Almost all the cycles I do are short cycles. You most defianantly dont want to use a long ester like test E for a short cycle, I have tried it a few times, it is very difficult. Use the igf in between the cycles, and remember it might be more like 4 on 6 off because of pct.

[BEAR101]

IGF in between the cycles? and where in my post did i say i was using dbol and winny?

[BEAR101]

bump

[BEAR101]

bump

[Sir Lifts-a-lot]

Drop the test e and just run the prop. You will have enough test in ya from 100mg ed. The long esters will **** you up. The dbol is a nice idea but to me it seems like the bloat from the dbol will reverse the lean muscle form the prop, or are you not worried about that? Maybe var if you can afford it or some tbol (dont know a hell of a lot about it personally)?

Other then that I like it. As said above though do 4 on 6 off. Will work out a little better for you I think.

[BEAR101]

im not to worried about the bloat... the lean muscle gains will be there once i cut down next spring.. ill probly run an anit e to cut down on some water and bloat... and should i run the igf in between the cycles or with the cycles?

[Sir Lifts-a-lot]

Okay... So from what I gather you want two fast acting compounds for short bursts. I like this idea a lot! Anti-e I would go with letro. Will get alllllllll the bloat off.

I know nothing about igf so I will bump this up for ya so hopefully someone who does will comment.

[BEAR101]

thanks for ur input i think ill go with the prop the ed injections will suck but the results will be better...

[buffgator]

my friends and I have been doing 4 week cycles for years. We found that taking igf-1 seemed better between cycles vs during for several reasons.
1 It kept us constantly growing always being on either igf or aas
2 We saw more exciting gains from alternating vs both at same time
3 We would get bored not taking anything on the time off
4 we felt it helped us keep more gains post cycle or even see some gains post cycle.
These where just our own conclusions from our experiance.

[Johny-too-small]

my friends and I have been doing 4 week cycles for years. We found that taking igf-1 seemed better between cycles vs during for several reasons.
1 It kept us constantly growing always being on either igf or aas
2 We saw more exciting gains from alternating vs both at same time
3 We would get bored not taking anything on the time off
4 we felt it helped us keep more gains post cycle or even see some gains post cycle.
These where just our own conclusions from our experiance.

I like, I like.

[BEAR101]

that exactly the kind of post i was looking for thank you buffgator