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    Lipitor !!

    seeing as how almost EVERY steroid lowers the good chol. and raises the bad one, can someone take for example "Lipitorâ„¢" and help this combat the lowering of the good chol.?

    what do u guys think? i also saw something in CVS that was like in a yellow box, maybe it was Lipitor? i dunno, but it also said lower your LDL in 3weeks by so n so % and raise your HDL by so n so %

    u guys think stuff like this is good to take while on the gear?

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    Eat more O M E G A 3, 6, 9 Fatty acids

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    your word keeps getting ********** out

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    Eat More O M E G A 3, 6, 9 Fatty Acids

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    Healthy Fats - Essential Fatty Acids
    [Posted 13 April 2002, Last updated 22 October 2004]

    I created the following in 2001, on the evening before a vegetarian cooking class where I was the guest speaker. There wasn't enough time to cite sources, but I do intend to improve the following class hand-out soon. In the interim, I feel it's such an important topic that I should share the preliminary work. Most Americans are *****-3 deficient because of our over-processed diets. One of the most common symptoms of *****-3 deficiency is depression, among other mental health symptoms, and of course depression is common among Americans. Is this why so many people take St. John's Wort, Prozac, Rit****, even drink coffee? Could it be a simple deficiency?

    Essential Fatty Acids are the "good fats" all over the news these days, and a very hot research topic. More is known about them every week as more studies come forward. Some information hasn't changed since Julius Fast wrote his book The *****-3 Breakthrough (Tucson, Arizona: The Body Press 1987, ISBN 0-89586-625-0). For example, good fats compete with bad fats, so it's important to minimize the intake of trans fats and cholesterol (animal fat) while consuming enough good fats. Also, good fats raise your HDL or "good cholesterol". One of the jobs of this High Density Lipoprotein (HDL) or "good cholesterol" is to grab your bad cholesterol, LDL (Low Density Lipoprotein), and escort it to the liver where it is broken down and excreted. In other words, these good fats attack some of the damage already done by the bad fats. This is very important in an age when so many Americans are struggling to get their cholesterol down, and fight heart disease and obesity.

    Essential Fatty Acids (EFAs)
    # Essential Fatty Acids (EFAs) are necessary fats that humans cannot synthesize, and must be obtained through diet. EFAs are long-chain polyunsaturated fatty acids derived from linolenic, linoleic, and oleic acids. There are two families of EFAs: *****-3 and *****-6. *****-9 is necessary yet "non-essential" because the body can manufacture a modest amount on its own, provided essential EFAs are present. The number following "*****-" represents the position of the first double bond, counting from the terminal methyl group on the molecule. *****-3 fatty acids are derived from Linolenic Acid, *****-6 from Linoleic Acid, and *****-9 from Oleic Acid.
    # EFAs support the cardiovascular, reproductive, immune, and nervous systems. The human body needs EFAs to manufacture and repair cell membranes, enabling the cells to obtain optimum nutrition and expel harmful waste products. A primary function of EFAs is the production of prostaglandins, which regulate body functions such as heart rate, blood pressure, blood clotting, fertility, conception, and play a role in immune function by regulating inflammation and encouraging the body to fight infection. Essential Fatty Acids are also needed for proper growth in children, particularly for neural development and maturation of sensory systems, with male children having higher needs than females. Fetuses and breast-fed infants also require an adequate supply of EFAs through the mother's dietary intake.
    # EFA deficiency is common in the United States, particularly *****-3 deficiency. An ideal intake ratio of *****-6 to *****-3 fatty acids is between 1:1 and 4:1, with most Americans only obtaining a ratio between 10:1 and 25:1. The minimum healthy intake for both linolenic (*****-3) and linoleic (*****-6) acid via diet, per adult per day, is 1.5 grams of each. One tablespoon of flaxseed oil can provide this amount, or larger amounts of other linolenic-rich foods. Because high heat destroys linolenic acid, cooking in linolenic-rich oils or eating cooked linolenic-rich fish is unlikely to provide a sufficient amount.
    # EFA deficiency and ***** 6/3 imbalance is linked with serious health conditions, such as heart attacks, cancer, insulin resistance, asthma, lupus, schizophrenia, depression, postpartum depression, accelerated aging, stroke, obesity, diabetes, arthritis, ADHD, and Alzheimer's Disease, among others.

    *****-3 (Linolenic Acid)
    # Alpha Linolenic Acid (ALA) is the principal *****-3 fatty acid, which a healthy human will convert into eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA), and later into docosahexaenoic acid (DHA). EPA and the GLA synthesized from linoleic (*****-6) acid are later converted into hormone-like compounds known as eicosanoids, which aid in many bodily functions including vital organ function and intracellular activity.
    # *****-3s are used in the formation of cell walls, making them supple and flexible, and improving circulation and oxygen uptake with proper red blood cell flexibility and function.
    # *****-3 deficiencies are linked to decreased memory and mental abilities, tingling sensation of the nerves, poor vision, increased tendency to form blood clots, diminished immune function, increased triglycerides and "bad" cholesterol (LDL) levels, impaired membrane function, hypertension, irregular heart beat, learning disorders, menopausal discomfort, and growth retardation in infants, children, and pregnant women.

    Found in foods:
    # Flaxseed oil (flaxseed oil has the highest linolenic content of any food), flaxseeds, flaxseed meal, hempseed oil, hempseeds, walnuts, pumpkin seeds, Brazil nuts, sesame seeds, avocados, some dark leafy green vegetables (kale, spinach, purslane, mustard greens, collards, etc.), canola oil (cold-pressed and unrefined), soybean oil, wheat germ oil, salmon, mackerel, sardines, anchovies, albacore tuna, and others.
    # One tablespoon per day of flaxseed oil should provide the recommended daily adult portion of linolenic acid, although "time-released" effects of consuming nuts and other linolenic-rich foods is being studied, and considered more beneficial than a once-daily oil intake.
    # Flaxseed oil used for dietary supplementation should be kept in the refrigerator or freezer, and purchased from a supplier who refrigerates the liquid as well.
    # Canola oil is often used as a cheaper alternative to the healthier virgin olive and grapeseed oils. Although Canola has at least some linolenic content, supermarket varieties of canola oil are often refined and processed with chemicals and heat, which destroy much of its linolenic acid. Cold-pressed, unrefined Canola oil is a healthier type of Canola (sometimes pricier than virgin olive oil), and found primarily in health food stores and specialty markets. The word "canola" is derived from "Canadian oil", as Canola was developed in Canada from the rape plant. Rape is a plant in the mustard family, and its rapeseed oil has at times been illegally blended with olive oil, particularly in Europe, to cheapen olive oil production costs. Although rapeseed oil is high in linolenic acid, it can make humans seriously ill if enough is consumed, and olive oil cheapened with rapeseed oil has a history of severely sickening its consumers. (Every feel itchy after eating commercial brands of peanut butter? Check the label -- it probably contains rapeseed oil.) Canola was developed to eliminate chemicals toxic to humans in rapeseed oil, thus creating an inexpensive oil with linolenic acid. Unlike olive and flaxseed oil, both known to the ancients and used as mankind evolved, Canola is a recent oil, and its long-term effects on humans are not yet known.
    # Unripe flaxseeds contain a natural form of cyanide, and home gardeners should be cautious if trying to grow flax. The seeds must be ripe before harvesting. If attempting to grow flax at home, consult an experienced grower.

    Click to visit MercuryPoisoned.com *****-6 (Linoleic Acid)
    # Linoleic Acid is the primary *****-6 fatty acid. A healthy human with good nutrition will convert linoleic acid into gamma linolenic acid (GLA), which will later by synthesized, with EPA from the *****-3 group, into eicosanoids.
    # Some *****-6s improve diabetic neuropathy, rheumatoid arthritis, PMS, skin disorders (e.g. psoriasis and eczema), and aid in cancer treatment.
    # Although most Americans obtain an excess of linoleic acid, often it is not converted to GLA because of metabolic problems caused by diets rich in sugar, alcohol, or trans fats from processed foods, as well as smoking, pollution, stress, aging, viral infections, and other illnesses such as diabetes. It is best to eliminate these factors when possible, but some prefer to supplement with GLA-rich foods such as borage oil, black currant seed oil, or evening primrose oil.

    Found in foods:
    # Flaxseed oil, flaxseeds, flaxseed meal, hempseed oil, hempseeds, grapeseed oil, pumpkin seeds, pine nuts, pistachio nuts, sunflower seeds (raw), olive oil, olives, borage oil, evening primrose oil, black currant seed oil, chestnut oil, chicken, among many others.
    # Avoid refined and hydrogenated versions of these foods.
    # Corn, safflower, sunflower, soybean, and cottonseed oils are also sources of linoleic acid, but are refined and may be nutrient-deficient as sold in stores.

    *****-9 (Oleic Acid)
    # Essential but technically not an EFA, because the human body can manufacture a limited amount, provided essential EFAs are present.
    # Monounsaturated oleic acid lowers heart attack risk and arteriosclerosis, and aids in cancer prevention.

    Found in foods:
    # Olive oil (extra virgin or virgin), olives, avocados, almonds, peanuts, sesame oil, pecans, pistachio nuts, cashews, hazelnuts, macadamia nuts, etc.
    # One to two tablespoons of extra virgin or virgin olive oil per day should provide sufficient oleic acid for adults. However, the "time-released" effects of obtaining these nutrients from nuts and other whole foods is thought to be more beneficial than consuming the entire daily amount via a single oil dose.

    Food tips
    # High heat, light, and oxygen destroy EFAs, so when consuming foods for their EFA content, try to avoid cooked or heated forms. For example, raw nuts are a better source than roasted nuts. Don't use flaxseed oil for cooking, and never re-use any type of oil.
    # Replace hydrogenated fats (like margarine), cholesterol-based fats (butter/dairy products), and poly-saturated fats (common cooking oils) with healthy EFA-based fats when possible. For example, instead of margarine or butter on your warm (not hot) vegetables, use flaxseed and/or extra virgin olive oils with salt. (This tastes similar to margarine, as margarine is just hydrogenated oil with salt.)
    # Sprinkling flaxseed meal on vegetables adds a slightly nutty taste. Whole flaxseeds are usually passed through the intestine, absorbing water only and not yielding much oil. Also, it's best not to use huge amounts of flaxseed in its meal (ground seed) form, as it contains phytoestrogens. The oil is much lower in phytoestrogens.
    # In many recipes calling for vegetable shortening, replacing the shortening with half as much virgin olive oil, and a very small pinch of extra salt, often yields similar results.
    # Adding flaxseed and/or virgin olive oil to salads instead of supermarket salad oil is another healthy change.
    # Replace oily snack foods, like potato chips and corn chips, with nuts and seeds.
    # Extra virgin olive oil or grapeseed oil are best to use for cooking oil, as they withstand high heat well.

    Product comparison
    I have received a number of thoughtful e-mails from people, one asking the difference between http://www.udoerasmus.com/ Udo's Ultimate Blend as a supplement and plain flaxseed oil. (There are many other good blended oil products on the market, but Udo's is one of the most popular.) I think the answer is important enough to repeat here. Flaxseed oil is the highest *****-3 food known, with only one tablespoon per day providing enough *****-3 fatty acids for a slightly overweight adult. Most Americans get plenty of *****-6 fatty acid, the other essential fatty acid that the body can't manufacture on its own, but often this is of low quality, for example from food cooked in vegetable oil. From *****-3 and *****-6 fatty acids, the body manufactures other fats and compounds such as *****-9, EPA, and DHA (the animal form of *****-3 found in certain fish oils). Some people with health problems such as diabetes, poor diets, a smoking or alcohol addiction, and so forth, have trouble making their own compounds from the two essential fatty acids. Udo's oil is a blend of healthy oil which provides quality *****-3, *****-6, and *****-9 fatty acids in a ratio considered ideal. The oil, like Barlean's flaxseed oil, is made from cold-pressed organic oils.

    The two types of oil have their own advantages. For people with poor diets or diets poor in healthy oils, or with added health problems, the advantage to Udo's is that a person obtains the right ratio of oils. The advantage to flaxseed oil is cost. If a person is consuming good quality *****-6 in the diet (and possibly *****-9 as well, from foods like olive oil or almonds), then taking 1 tablespoon per day of flaxseed oil is cheaper than 2-3 tablespoons of Udo's oil for the same body weight. A person could also blend their own organic olive oil with flaxseed oil for a slightly less expensive option. Both types of oil require refrigeration. I don't sell or endorse any product on this page (other than my cookbook, of course), and so I'll leave oil choice up to my readers.

    Quantification of oil in natural foods
    Several other readers have written asking why I don't include quantities of oil for each of the natural foods containing EFAs. This is largely because the different charts I've found with oil amounts vary widely. The sources are all reputable, however their laboratory findings are different. This could be due to a natural fluctuation in the type of food analyzed, or from differing laboratory technique. A couple of readers have complained that foods like avocados, sesame seeds, Brazil nuts, or chestnuts don't contain large enough quantities of essential oils for a person to obtain everything he or she needs from them. I don't make claims concerning amounts of these foods necessary to meet the recommended levels of essential fatty acids, because I don't feel that I have a reliable source to provide this information. And so I leave it up to the reader to determine whether supplementation is needed in addition to the foods in his or her diet.

    Flax oils vs. fish oil
    In his book, Dr. Rudin (see below) points out that most *****-3 studies are based on fish oil. Rudin finds this disappointing, as he's had better results with flaxseed oil in his own studies. This may be because flaxseed oil starts with the plant form of linolenic acid, ALA (alpha linolenic acid), whereas fish oil contains the animal form, DHA (docosahexaenoic acid). The body makes its own DHA and EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) from ALA. Although some claim that the amount of DHA made is small, the body doesn't need much DHA. Most DHA is contained in cell membranes, and is held there with little replacement. In contrast, ALA and compounds made from it are also needed in the body for a number of essential functions. Fish oil cannot provide ALA, and therefore deprives the consumer of this critical compound. Some people feel that they need DHA or EPA as a supplement, and that's their personal choice. However, most sources covering the different types of oil indicate that plant-based *****-3s, or ALA, is the better choice.
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    Some more basic information...

    *****-3 fatty acids are a form of polyunsaturated fats, one of four basic types of fat that the body derives from food. (Cholesterol, saturated fat, and monounsaturated fat are the others.) All polyunsaturated fats, including the *****-3s, are increasingly recognized as important to human health.

    Eating too many foods rich in saturated fats has been associated with the development of degenerative diseases, including heart disease and even cancer. Polyunsaturated fatty acids, however, are actually good for you. *****-3s (found primarily in cold-water fish) fall into this category, along with *****-6s, another type of polyunsaturated fatty acids found in grains, most plant-based oils, poultry, and eggs. (For more information, see our WholeHealthMD entry on *****-6 Fatty Acids.)

    Why "essential?" *****-3s (and *****-6s) are termed essential fatty acids (EFAs) because they are critical for good health. However, the body cannot make them on its own. For this reason, *****-3s must be obtained from food, thus making outside sources of these fats "essential."

    Although the body needs both *****-3s and *****-6s to thrive, most people consume far more 6s than 3s. Hardly a day goes by, however, without reports of another health benefit associated with *****-3s. For this reason, many experts recommend consuming a better balance these two EFAs.

    Different types of *****-3s. Key *****-3 fatty acids include eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexanoic acid (DHA), both found primarily in oily cold-water fish such as tuna, salmon, and mackerel. Aside from fresh seaweed, a staple of many cultures, plant foods rarely contain EPA or DHA.

    However, a third *****-3, called alpha-linolenic acid (ALA), is found primarily in dark green leafy vegetables, flaxseed oils, and certain vegetable oils. Although ALA has different effects on the body than EPA and DHA do, the body has enzymes that can convert ALA to EPA. All three are important to human health.

    Health Benefits

    Scientists made one of the first associations between *****-3s and human health while studying the Inuit (Eskimo) people of Greenland in the 1970s. As a group, the Inuit suffered far less from certain diseases (coronary heart disease, rheumatoid arthritis, diabetes mellitus, psoriasis) than their European counterparts. Yet their diet was very high in fat from eating whale, seal, and salmon. Eventually researchers realized that these foods were all rich in *****-3 fatty acids, which provided real disease-countering benefits.

    Researchers continue to explore this exciting field. They've found that without a sufficient supply of polyunsaturated *****-3s, the body will use saturated fat to construct cell membranes. The resulting cell membranes, however, are less elastic, a situation that can have a negative effect on the heart because it makes it harder to return to a resting state.

    In addition, nutritionists have come to recognize the importance of balancing *****-3 fatty acids with *****-6 fatty acids in the diet. Because most people on a typical Western diet consume far more *****-6-rich foods (including cereals, whole-grain bread, baked goods, fried foods, margarine, and others), the ratio is out of balance for almost everyone. This means for most Americans the emphasis now needs to be on increasing *****-3s to make the ratio more even.

    The bottom line: *****-3s appear to help prevent and treat various disorders in different ways. For example, research suggests that in individuals with non-insulin-dependent (or type 2) diabetes, *****-3s can improve insulin sensitivity. They work yet another way to ease menstrual pain, and so on.

    Specifically, *****-3s in fish oil or other forms may help to:

    # Improve heart health. *****-3 fatty acids have been shown to play a part in keeping cholesterol levels low, stabilizing irregular heart beat (arrhythmia), and reducing blood pressure. Researchers now believe that alpha-linolenic acid (ALA), one of the *****-3s, is particularly beneficial for protecting against heart and vessel disease, and for lowering cholesterol and triglyceride levels. An excellent source of ALA is flaxseed oil, sold as both a liquid oil and a semisolid margarine-like spread.

    *****-3 fatty acids are also natural blood thinners, reducing the "stickiness" of blood cells (called platelet aggregation), which can lead to such complications as blood clots and stroke.

    # Reduce hypertension. Studies of large groups of people have found that the more *****-3 fatty acids people consume, the lower their overall blood pressure level is. This was the case with the Greenland Eskimos who ate a lot of oily, cold-water fish, for example.

    # Improve rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, Raynaud's disease, and other autoimmune diseases. Diets high in *****-3 fatty acids (such as fish oils) have been shown to increase survival in people with autoimmune diseases. This is probably because the *****-3s help the arteries--as well as many other parts of the body--stay inflammation free. EPA and DHA are successful at this because they can be converted into natural anti-inflammatory substances called prostaglandins and leukotrienes, compounds that help decrease inflammation and pain.

    In numerous studies over the years, participants with inflammatory diseases have reported less joint stiffness, swelling, tenderness, and overall fatigue when taking *****-3s.

    In 1998, an exciting review of well-designed, randomized clinical trials reported that *****-3 fatty acids were more successful than a placebo ("dummy drug") in improving the condition of people with rheumatoid arthritis. The research also showed that getting more *****-3 fatty acids enabled some participants to reduce their use of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs).

    # Improve depression and symptoms of other mental health problems. The brain is remarkably fatty: In fact, this organ is 60% fat and needs *****-3s to function properly. Now researchers have discovered a link between mood disorders and the presence of low concentrations of *****-3 fatty acids in the body.

    Apparently, *****-3s help regulate mental health problems because they enhance the ability of brain-cell receptors to comprehend mood-related signals from other neurons in the brain. In other words, the *****-3s are believed to help keep the brain's entire traffic pattern of thoughts, reactions, and reflexes running smoothly and efficiently.

    Clinical trials are underway to further investigate whether supplementing the diet with *****-3s will reduce the severity of such psychiatric problems as mild to moderate depression, dementia, bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia. Interestingly, the oil used to help the child with a degenerative nerve disorder in the popular film Lorenzo's Oil was an *****-3 fatty acid.

    # Aid cancer prevention and cancer support. Preliminary research from the University of California, Los Angeles, suggests that *****-3 fatty acids may help maintain healthy breast tissue and prevent breast cancer. Also, in a recent study, participants who supplemented their diet with fish oils produced fewer quantities of a carcinogen associated with colon cancer than did a placebo group. More research into this exciting use for *****-3s is underway.

    Dosage Information

    There is no established recommended daily intake for *****-3s, but a healthy diet containing significant amounts of foods rich in this essential fatty acid is clearly wise. By increasing your intake of *****-3 fatty acids, you will naturally bring the ratio of *****-3 and *****-6 fatty acids back into a healthier, 2-1 or (optimally) 1-1 balance.

    Try to reduce your consumption of *****-6-rich foods at the same time that you increase your intake of *****-3-rich foods in the following categories:

    --Marine sources: Atlantic salmon and other fatty, preferably cold-water fish, including herring (both Atlantic and Pacific), sardines, Atlantic halibut, bluefish, tuna, and Atlantic mackerel. The American Heart Association recommends that people eat tuna or salmon at least twice a week.

    As a reasonable substitute (or even an occasional alternative) for fresh fish, commercial fish oil capsules are available containing*****-3s such as DHA and EPA.

    --Wild game: Surprisingly, venison and buffalo are both good sources of *****-3s and make a healthy choice for people craving meat. These wild game meats can be purchased through mail-order sources if your supermarket doesn't carry them.

    --Plant sources: Canola oil, flaxseed, flaxseed oil, walnuts, and leafy green vegetables such as purslane are all good sources of alpha-linolenic acid (ALA), the plant-based *****-3. A quarter-cup (1 ounce) of walnuts supplies about 2 grams of plant-based *****-3 fatty acids, slightly more than is found in 3 ounces of salmon. WholehealthMD's extensive He****g Kitchen provides details on the nutrients in many of these foods, as well as recipes to include in your diet.

    --Enhanced food: In the U.S., these include *****-3 enriched eggs; breads are sometimes enhanced in other countries.

    Guidelines for Use

    # Pregnant women and infants need plenty of *****-3s to nourish the developing brain of the fetus and young child. If a pregnant woman gets too few *****-3s, the growing fetus will take all that's available. This could set the stage for depression in the mother. Talk to your obstetrician and pediatrician about specific requirements.

    General Interaction

    There are no known drug or nutrient interactions associated with increased consumption of *****-3 fatty acids through foods. However, if you decide to take *****-3s through supplements (especially those containing fish oils), be sure to check with your doctor first if you are taking a blood-thinner such as warfarin or heparin.

    Possible Side Effects

    There are no known side effects associated with increasing your intake of *****-3 fatty acids through foods, although fish oil capsules do pose the risk of a "burp" factor. This is a harmless, although not exactly pleasant, fish-y aftertaste that occurs with some brands of fish oil capsules.

    Cautions

    # One benefit of *****-3 fatty acids is that they are very safe to consume. However, most sources recommend that fish consumption be limited to two to three servings weekly because so many fish are tainted with mercury and other contaminants. Fish oil capsules don't present this same risk.
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    Amazing info !!!!!!

    but u didnt answer my question though

    Lipitor good or no?

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    I would only take Lipitor if prescribed by a Physician. Utilizing O M E G A S and other supps will help keep your cholesterol in check. When your cycle is complete get some Blood work done

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    where would i go to get that done where it wont cost me an arm or a leg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaiv
    where would i go to get that done where it wont cost me an arm or a leg

    usually doesn't cost that much buddy

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    and whatever results i get back, if they are not good or whatever, i can take care of it by eating certain foods right?

    or am i going to need medication and frequent doctor visits and all that?

    because if thats the case, then i wont do it, no point in scaring myself, i dont even have the money right now to buy me a gallon of milk much less buying medication for my blood

    and then on top of that its going to be on my mind forever

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    Sometimes taking medication is the last resort. Just stay on here and educate yourself. There are some ways to prevent certain things but some are inevitable

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    thanks frankie !!!!

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    red yeast rice works well at keeping cholesterol in check too...if you want information on it use the search button

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    lipitor is good. generic Zocor (simvastatin) is also fine and cheaper. just don't take with orals. too hard on the liver since statins are also metabolized in the liver and can very rarely cause liver problems on their own.

    if your chol values are out of whack insurance should cover with a copay if you go see your doc.

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    umm lipitor is rx only u probably saw one of the "all natural" remedies but u still gotta have bloodwork done before u get on it. It does get broken down by the liver something to think about. Just dont' drink ne grapefruit juice while u take it tho.

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    dont drink grapejuice while takin what? the all natural one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_dubya33
    lipitor is good. generic Zocor (simvastatin) is also fine and cheaper. just don't take with orals. too hard on the liver since statins are also metabolized in the liver and can very rarely cause liver problems on their own.

    if your chol values are out of whack insurance should cover with a copay if you go see your doc.
    Ive heard the lipitor can be pretty harsh on the liver.

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    If you go the Red Yeast Rice route make sure you add some Coq10 with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maldorf
    Ive heard the lipitor can be pretty harsh on the liver.
    ouch really? how so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaiv
    ouch really? how so?

    Read up on it

    I suggest you go to Pubmed or sites like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaiv
    Amazing info !!!!!!

    but u didnt answer my question though

    Lipitor good or no?
    This might be a silly questions but what is your cholesterol?
    If you don't know why would you want to take it without speaking with a MD. You are talking about some serious liver issues by blocking these important enzymes.
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    HMG-CoA reductase inhibitors, like some other lipid-lowering therapies, have been
    associated with biochemical abnormalities of liver function. Persistent elevations (>3
    times the upper limit of normal [ULN] occurring on 2 or more occasions) in serum
    transaminases occurred in 0.7% of patients who received atorvastatin (Lipitor) in clinical
    trials. The incidence of these abnormalities was 0.2%, 0.2%, 0.6%, and 2.3% for 10,
    20, 40, and 80 mg, respectively.


    low incidence, and above normal LFTs for a short period of time don't necessarily transfer to a real liver problem


    you can find plently more data if you want to look, but under normal circumstance using liptor is fine and very low risk.

    BUT GO TALK TO YOUR DOC

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    Based on my experience with having been prescribed a statin (lipitor is a statin) i would not do it.

    one of the potential side effects of statins is myopathy, muscle tissue wasting. Google myopathy and statin and you will get all the info you need.

    The physician pulled me off after 2 weeks due to myopathy. It has taken me 3 months to fully recover and i lost quite a bit of size and strength.

    My 2c - statins are probably one of the worst drugs to take while cycling, or for BB's in general.

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    Based on my experience with having been prescribed a statin (lipitor is a statin) i would not do it.

    one of the potential side effects of statins is myopathy, muscle tissue wasting. Google myopathy and statin and you will get all the info you need.

    The physician pulled me off after 2 weeks due to myopathy. It has taken me 3 months to fully recover and i lost quite a bit of size and strength.

    My 2c - statins are probably one of the worst drugs to take while cycling, or for BB's in general.

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