draw backs of a 18-20 week cycle

[clipper]

I am doing a test-e and deca cycle right now. I am at week 7 right now. This is my 4 th cycle. I have had good luck so far with 10 week cycles. But I was thinking of running this one out for 18-20 weeks total. And keep the same 400 deca and 500 test-e.

What are the draw backs of this?

[Kratos]

you won't likely see gains past week 12, and recovery will suck more, you will need to take more time off before your next go.

[clipper]

That was what I thought. I did not know at what week the gains start to slow down.

Thanks.

[buffgator]

1. Longer time between cycles
2. No gains for last part of cycle
3. Longer window of opprotunity to get side affects
4. Less cycles per year
5. Burn receptor sensitivity

[clipper]

Well there it is then. I will stop at 10 weeks. Wait 10-15 weeks and go again. Thanks for the info.

[rockinred]

currently running a 16 week cycle... alot say that the longer you run (within reason) allows your body to adjust to the growth better than the shorter cycles. Guess it all depends on how frequently you want to run gear...i.e. if your goal is one cycle a year, then the longer might work out better for you... if you want to cram as many as possible in a year then the shorter might be better.??

[rockinred]

many swear by long cycles as the only way to go, many swear by short cycles, and I have heard a lot say cycle until you accomplish what you want to accomplish.... the last statement sounds like reasonable goals would have to be factored in.

[Schmidty]

The reason i dont like long cycles is u have to take A LOT more time off when u do them then a short cycle

[Atomini]

Don't you also come off extremely catabolic and 'crash' after such a long cycle?

[anaBROLIC]

i did a 16 week cycle once, and my libido was shot.. a couple months later i still felt like shiat. i recover very well with less then 12 weekers.. will never do more then that again

[Mel1]

My first cycle was over 20 weeks long(Test E & t-bol)!
With no problems during or after cycle!
Could keep 90% of the gains!
Had problems gaining more after week 15 or so...


My 2nd will be about as long! But this time i will change compounds after week 15! Some say it helps! I will give it a try!

[testisbest]

you won't likely see gains past week 12, and recovery will suck more, you will need to take more time off before your next go.

Please explain why you won't see gains past week 12. That's not true at all. I'm not condoning cycling for longer than 12 weeks but don't say that you'll stop gaining.

[Kratos]

Please explain why you won't see gains past week 12. That's not true at all. I'm not condoning cycling for longer than 12 weeks but don't say that you'll stop gaining.

How 'bout at some point, not nessicarily week 12 you will stop seeing steriod like gains.

[testisbest]

How 'bout at some point, not nessicarily week 12 you will stop seeing steriod like gains.

I'm not buying that either. You'll only stop seeing gains if you're not getting enough calories to gain. I'm not trying to argue bro, just trying to get the point out there that if your gains slow down or stop you need to up the cals. You're a good bro and offer good advise.

[naturalsux]

My first cycle was over 20 weeks long(Test E & t-bol)!
With no problems during or after cycle!
Could keep 90% of the gains!
Had problems gaining more after week 15 or so...


My 2nd will be about as long! But this time i will change compounds after week 15! Some say it helps! I will give it a try!

this is what i will be doing, switching from 10 weeks mast e to 10 weeks tren e.
test 250 the whole time.

[testisbest]

this is what i will be doing, switching from 10 weeks mast e to 10 weeks tren e.
test 250 the whole time.

good cycle but I'd run the mast for the whole 20 weeks.

[Kratos]

I'm not buying that either. You'll only stop seeing gains if you're not getting enough calories to gain. I'm not trying to argue bro, just trying to get the point out there that if your gains slow down or stop you need to up the cals. You're a good bro and offer good advise.

So you say you can run a cycle indeffinatly and continue to see gains? The body's perception/reception of aas will be unchanged?

[testisbest]

So you say you can run a cycle indeffinatly and continue to see gains? The body's perception/reception of aas will be unchanged?

Can you train and eat naturally and still gain? Or after 12 weeks of training naturally you stop gaining?

[anaBROLIC]

thats not true. you wont stop gaining after 12 weeks. you can gain but from lots of feedback ive read on here over the last couple years most hit their max cycle gains around that time frame. this topic has been brought up many times. for most people it isnt worth the problems of recovery for the minimal gains you will get after that point.

[Kratos]

Can you train and eat naturally and still gain? Or after 12 weeks of training naturally you stop gaining?

That's why when I clarified my first message I put in steroid like gains

[naturalsux]

good cycle but I'd run the mast for the whole 20 weeks.

wont i have to worry about too much DHT?

[testisbest]

That's why when I clarified my first message I put in steroid like gains

I got you and for safety sake, 12 to 16 week cycles are safer than staying on for longer periods of time. I just like being on and have committed to lifelong TRT.

[testisbest]

BTW IMO, you'll still have steroid like gains for however long you take them with proper diet, training, and rest.

[Mel1]

this is what i will be doing, switching from 10 weeks mast e to 10 weeks tren e.
test 250 the whole time.

I think you should run long esters more than 10weeks!
I will run a short ester for the 2nd half!
I will use Test E & Tren E for the first 15 weeks and than switch to Test C & NPP for 8 more...

We in europe strongly belive in long cycles!!!

[testisbest]

wont i have to worry about too much DHT?

Not unless you're prone to male pattern baldness and that's something you're worried about. I love mast and will run it in every cycle for however long they last.

[naturalsux]

Not unless you're prone to male pattern baldness and that's something you're worried about. I love mast and will run it in every cycle for however long they last.

no i m not prone to blading, just trying to be cautious.
i will run it for 20 then.

thanks

[testisbest]

no i m not prone to blading, just trying to be cautious.
i will run it for 20 then.

thanks

You can thank me later. But if anything, make sure you run the test, tren, and mast together. Test + 19nor + dht = GREAT CYCLE.

[Mel1]

One thing I forgot:
I stay "off" before I start my 2nd cycle for almost 11 moths!!
I think thats a lot healthier than going on and off all year long!

[naturalsux]

You can thank me later. But if anything, make sure you run the test, tren, and mast together. Test + 19nor + dht = GREAT CYCLE.

Will do.

[Kratos]

BTW IMO, you'll still have steroid like gains for however long you take them with proper diet, training, and rest.

With respect, I strongly disagree and I'll just leave it at that.

[testisbest]

With respect, I strongly disagree and I'll just leave it at that.

Respect.

[bor]

IMO 12 weeks would be best for that cycle

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

In my experience, after experimenting on all types of cycles, I prefer a long 20-24 week cycle divided into a bulking and cutting phase. I like this because:

1. I do one mega cycle a year and have the other half completely gear free (except hGH or IGF, which I often use as a bridge)
2. I switch compounds from bulking to cutting so my body is not acclimated at any point.
3. I retain the most muscle this way because you don't lose any of the bulking mass like if you first did PCT, waited 12 weeks and then cut
4. I have to worry about PCT only once (and a good strong one at that)...
5. And I do my blood work post PCT and pre cycle and everything is always good to go.

IMO, if you know your sh!t in terms of gear and ancillary usage, you can deal with the sides if and when they should appear, which hardly does if you plan your cycle properly. The only downside is you have to be comitted for a long long time and I really cant travel that much...my long cycles always span from Apr-May to Sep/Oct. I'm sure alot of people will disagree with my reasonings and opinions (and I welcome constructive criticism)...But this is what I found to have worked for me best.

cheers

[crazyhorse666]

In my experience, after experimenting on all types of cycles, I prefer a long 20-24 week cycle divided into a bulking and cutting phase. I like this because:

1. I do one mega cycle a year and have the other half completely gear free (except hGH or IGF, which I often use as a bridge)
2. I switch compounds from bulking to cutting so my body is not acclimated at any point.
3. I retain the most muscle this way because you don't lose any of the bulking mass like if you first did PCT, waited 12 weeks and then cut
4. I have to worry about PCT only once (and a good strong one at that)...
5. And I do my blood work post PCT and pre cycle and everything is always good to go.

IMO, if you know your sh!t in terms of gear and ancillary usage, you can deal with the sides if and when they should appear, which hardly does if you plan your cycle properly. The only downside is you have to be comitted for a long long time and I really cant travel that much...my long cycles always span from Apr-May to Sep/Oct. I'm sure alot of people will disagree with my reasonings and opinions (and I welcome constructive criticism)...But this is what I found to have worked for me best.

cheers

this is the smartest thing I have heard in a long time. Great info bro

[buffgator]

I dont think that raising your caloric intake is always the answer. You can reach the point where you just start packing on fat. Remember that your body is always fighting to stay balanced. Raise test it raises est. Raise anabolic levels it becomes more catabolic. Your body will always try to achive homeostasis, thus comes the diminish in gains the farther into a cycle you get.

[crazyhorse666]

I do think what buffgator is saying is right to. but it is all about who can keep raising the bar. If you can keep pushing yourself to eat more and train harder every few weeks I belive it can be done in a 20 week cycle.

[sdstacker]

In my experience, after experimenting on all types of cycles, I prefer a long 20-24 week cycle divided into a bulking and cutting phase. I like this because:

1. I do one mega cycle a year and have the other half completely gear free (except hGH or IGF, which I often use as a bridge)
2. I switch compounds from bulking to cutting so my body is not acclimated at any point.
3. I retain the most muscle this way because you don't lose any of the bulking mass like if you first did PCT, waited 12 weeks and then cut
4. I have to worry about PCT only once (and a good strong one at that)...
5. And I do my blood work post PCT and pre cycle and everything is always good to go.

IMO, if you know your sh!t in terms of gear and ancillary usage, you can deal with the sides if and when they should appear, which hardly does if you plan your cycle properly. The only downside is you have to be comitted for a long long time and I really cant travel that much...my long cycles always span from Apr-May to Sep/Oct. I'm sure alot of people will disagree with my reasonings and opinions (and I welcome constructive criticism)...But this is what I found to have worked for me best.

cheers

I completely agree. I also find that this business of not gaining in the later weeks is not true either. In the middle to end of a long cycle, while my weight may not go up, this seems to be the time when I put on the highest quality of lean muscle. The initial rapid weight gain that a lot of newbies find so magical is not muscle, but rather changes in fluid retention and cell volume. I prefer to put on quality muscle, as opposed to just seeing the numbers on my scale go up by 4lbs per week.

[got fina?]

I also prefer the longer cycles, about 20 weeks.
I do notice though that if u maintain the same MG,s through the cycle duration u will see the most results in the first 12 weeks.
I usually start low and then boost it up a bit for the last 8 weeks. This way body hasnt gotten used to dosage and i still grow and harden up nicely..

BUt everything works differently for everybody. Find out what works best for yours and ull have a better and more productive cycle..

Good luck.........

[briancb1]

mmmm 20 weeks of gear and AI's is expensive.

[got fina?]

Well in my case no cause i keep it low and simple....I got a really good connect now anyways and a nice stockpile wich will prob exp. before i get to use it...lol