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    2 injections away from lifelong goal, do i risk my life?

    Alright gentlemen, here is my question for you. Obviously any sane or rational person would already know the answer, but as we all know many people say we simply dont fall into to that category.

    Im 28 years old, 6'1" 225 lbs 12% body fat. Ive been on and off cycle for the last year. This is my third of the year and without a doubt final cycle for at least a year or two to come.

    Weeks 1-6 Test Enanthanage 500 mg week
    Weeks 1-6 Unibold (eq) 600 mg week

    Weeks 7-8 Uniprop 200 mg week
    Weeks 7-8 Unibold (eq) 600 mg week

    I have 2 more weeks of juice to go and I know without question I would reach my goal of 230 lbs, and then I would probably fall to a solid 220 and with proper pct which I already have stay there. I look awesome right now, my strength gain is growing almost exponentially the last week because I believe the eq is finally kicking in. Now heres the problem...

    The day or two after the last 2 weeks of injections... I feel like shit. Im not talking I dont feel so hot and thats it... Im talking shortness of breath to the point where Im scared Im going to keel over with a stroke. My whole stomach and chest feels like a 20 lb weight is sitting on top of it. Im shedding hair like shit. My face is bloated bad, people are saying I just dont seem right, probably because Im not sleeping well.

    Now, after those first 2 days I feel unbelievable! Strength and endurance is unlike anything Ive ever felt before and like I said i have never seen my body even close to looking this great and with 2 more weeks I know I would be where I would have the body I have dreamed of having since I was 10 years old.

    I know ive done heavy damage with my abuse over the last year which is why I can say with confidence nothing will sway me to get back on without at least a year or two break. Do I do the smart thing and stop now while I still have my life? What is this shortness of breath and anxiety the day after. There is no history of bad hearts in my family in fact longevity is prominent in us. What do u think? Do i say **** it, maybe stretch out the time in between shots so that levels will lower and maybe I wont feel this pain? Or is my body ****ed and needs to be completely off before I start recupperating?

    OBVIOUSLY I KNOW WHAT I "SHOULD" DO. MY QUESTION IS THAT IF YOU WERE THIS CLOSE TO YOUR LIFELONG DREAM, WHAT WOULD U DO?

    If you want to flame me please feel free as it may actually knock some sense in too me.
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    Id stay on and keep gy injection time the same.

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    Also Ive realized that I didnt start feeling this crap at all until I began putting the uniprop into my body. Has anyone else used this stuff before and had similar effects?

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    Is that the name of ur UGL/source?

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    uniprop is a mexican version of testosterone propanate.
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    i am seriously pondering if you even thought bout researching before u ran that shindig there..

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    If you feel like you're going to die, stop.

    You already know what to do. Don't put us in a compromising position to tell you what you want to hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taiboxa
    i am seriously pondering if you even thought bout researching before u ran that shindig there..
    His cycle is very confusing. But i guess if he is a few pounds away from his goal, it works for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmidty
    His cycle is very confusing. But i guess if he is a few pounds away from his goal, it works for him.
    a few pounds is not an easy attainable goal w/ EQ that shyt takes years to put on a dam thing.

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    I would look at remedying the side effects when they start. Sounds like you are holding water which is putting BP up and causing you problems. That is a dangerous situation mate. If you dont know how to prevent these problems occuring then get off the gear before you die.

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    No offense bro, but look at the title of this post. If you seriously think you are risking your life, what do you think you should do? And if you do think you are risking your life, would you continue to do so because some people on a forum tell you to?

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    Oh i know what I should do. But its like the pain is only for a day or so after the injection and then I feel unreal. But its like if i quit now I wasted that 8 weeks of eq because im pretty sure thats what is making my strength and endurance gains unreal right now. Ill probably stop but im wondering if im just being paranoid and thinking too much and that im really fine. Im definitely a moron to keep going but its like man i am just that f'in close.

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    nah ur a moron for running such a craptacular cycle.

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    dont risk your health for 5 more lbs...like you said your going to drop back to 220lb anyways...........your at 225lb now............your body is trying to tell you something.....LISTEN!!....from the sounds of it I highly doubt you will take a year off too

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    Well is it the uniprop thats makin me feel this pain the day afterwards and thats normal? If I wasnt feeling this unreal strength after it I would stop without a doubt. Im not tapering off Im just now getting the full effect of both substances. 5 more pounds is a conservative estimate, I bet from finishing this stuff with the gains im getting right now it would most likely be 10. But for sure after this im done for at least a year. But your right, rationally thinking about it Im a moron, i shouldnt even consider keeping going. Its just that Im so close.

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    Buddy, why don't you just stop?

    Don't end up being another steroid -related death that further ****s up steroids for the rest of us, and gives the media a reason to spread more bullshit about steroids to the world.

    If you continue, it's assholes like you that abuse steroids and **** everything up for everyone else who cycle properly and listen to our bodies. So listen to YOURS and stop your cycle!

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    OMG how do u get HUGE str from those 2 compounds... i seroiusly dont get it.. i mean if u were an ethiopian then it would be believeable but ur compounds of choice do not warrant the gains u are claiming.

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    Really? You've never had success with any of these? Man they are working unreal for me, especially now because as I said i believe its the eq thats kickin in full. I dont know what to say I mean why would I lie about it? You will never know me or see me or what I look like what do I have to gain by making a story up? lol. But alright unless anyone can say to me hey man its normal to feel that after uniprop im done. 5 to 10 pounds is not worth risking my life. Ill just stuff my face 24/7 for the next two weeks and hope for the best.

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    First of all edit your post so you dont have lab names in it.
    Second 5-10 lbs can be allot harder to gain than just 2 more weeks on a cycle. It took me 1 1/2 years to go from 248-260 solid. I easily spent almost half of that time on juice.

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    Done, took out lab names. For real im gaining half a pound a day right now, I think its because of the eq im assuming. And Im running nolva and doing very light cardio post workout to help keep off the water and fat. 2 more injections = 3 more weeks of high blood levels of compound. half a pound a day at 3 weeks equals 10.5 pounds. Will I keep gainin at this rate? I dont know. Like i said Im assuming its the eq. Last shot was friday and already Im starting to feel good again. I also take xanax as Im prescribed it for insomnia.

    So is my body telling me stop or is it just normal anxiety from the prop causing this? See that is my only dilema, but it is to the point of where I dont think its normal. Anyways, as I said, Ill most likely stop. I still have 2 weeks of compound inside me we'll see what it does.

    I just dont want to stop and be like man if I had just sucked it up i could have really gotten where I wanted to be and then it would all just be maintenance from there on out.

    Anyways yah, Im an idiot, Ill stop, its not worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhl1
    I know ive done heavy damage with my abuse over the last year which is why I can say with confidence nothing will sway me to get back on without at least a year or two break. Do I do the smart thing and stop now while I still have my life?

    If you want to flame me please feel free as it may actually knock some sense in too me.
    You asked for it bro - but i think you've gotten enough for one night. read your own post, you're asking advice on whether or not you should continue juice or risk your life.

    C'mon man - you know what to do; take care of yourself. the 5 lbs DOESNT MATTER. You'll get there. Be patient.

    Good luck,

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    yeah kind of ridiculous question. first, you need to decide how bad the effects are/where they are coming from. anything that causes the effects you described is NOT WORTH 5 POUNDS, regardless if this has been your lifes goal.

    you will without a question gain 5 more pounds on your next cycle, or, if you are going to quit for a year or two like you said you would, it's not that hard to gain 5 pounds in a year or two, and this will give you a goal to strive for.

    no one is going to tell you 'yeah that sounds like a bad situation, but since it's your LIFE'S GOAL.. risk it.' you need to decide that for yourself. you've got all the signs to quit (or figure out a way to alleviate symptoms.. ie - switch back to test e).

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    dont push your luck. what is 5 lbs..i can tell you right now if you are wie***ng out the value of 5 lbs against your life you have a problem and need to take the advice of other people who give a shit and can give you an unbiased answer. lets say you do have a stroke, survive, need extensive re-hab, and have to learn to walk/talk/every basic motor function has to be re-learned. you think that 5 lbs is gonna matter? consider your future..the body you desire right now, isint worth the risk of your entire life dude.

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    You really dont need those short esters much at all during those last 2 weeks. You still have lots of the long ester in your system, and you can just ride those out for the last 2 weeks. I wouldnt take anymore of the short esters at all now, just get off. As others have said, listen to your body. Your health is more important than 5 lbs. Another thing to consider is that most of that 5 lbs will probably be water and some bodyfat. By the time youre done it might be 1lb or 2 of muscle.

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    sounds to me like u're completely out of shape.

    Fix your diet.. start eating healthy.. ***** fats etc..U're prolly feeling like the guy in that movie felt.. the one where he eats MCDONALDS for 30days straight.

    and second.. do some cardio.. get into some freakin shape man.. u may be low fat, but u're still freakin obese, prolly could not go up a flight of stairs.

    Dont blame steroids , for your most than likely shitty diet, and lack of cardio excersize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pooks
    sounds to me like u're completely out of shape.

    Fix your diet.. start eating healthy.. ***** fats etc..U're prolly feeling like the guy in that movie felt.. the one where he eats MCDONALDS for 30days straight.

    and second.. do some cardio.. get into some freakin shape man.. u may be low fat, but u're still freakin obese, prolly could not go up a flight of stairs.

    Dont blame steroids, for your most than likely shitty diet, and lack of cardio excersize.
    That's what I was thinking, to some extent. What is your bf?

    If you're holding lots of water on priopionate, and then equipose that just kicked in, most likely your diet is not in check.

    Yes, you can gain what you say, but what's the point if it's mostly fat?

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    No brainer here. STOP....do the smart thing and give your body a break. I would also strongly recommend getting some bloodwork done so you can get some sort of baseline as to what's going on inside.

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    dude come one dude.

    you are 6'2 225.......For the average individual, that is obtainable naturally.....

    the gear is always going to be there, why not stop, regroup, and reach your life long goal 6 months to 1 year from now.

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    I bet its that Mexican prop theres so much horribly brewed gear down there. I'm talking mixed in the bathtub poured into vials and delivered to the local pharmacy/vet. Reguardless if you want to risk your life for 5 lbs, then go for it just doesn't seem logical to me.

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    Hey thx for helping me to see reality to everyone who gave input. There is no way 5 lbs would be worth it, its just like i said i was gaining so much right now i didnt want to stop. anyways, an update, as i said i take xanax for insomnia. ive had it for like 5 years as the business im associated with is very high stress.

    so anyways 2 weeks ago, right around the same time i started taking the prop, me and my dr decided to try switching meds to lunesta and ambien. both of them he gave me to try. the lunesta i could immediately tell i was allergic too as i itched out of control the day afterwards. well the ambien worked well with xanax for a very deep sleep when i would try it, though i didnt do it often since dr didnt want me to be dependent on both.

    ANYWAYS! lol, google ambien and u will see number 1 side effect. shortness of breath due to allergic reaction. Thats all it was! ****ing ambien causing me to have chest pain because of my high intensity workouts and having shortness of breath throughout them. I would take an ambien with xanax last few injection nights because I have a little more trouble sleeping the day of them. So anyways I havent touched ambien since friday nor will i ever again and I finished off half of my gear with an injection yesterday and i feel like a million bucks.

    So fyi for those with insomnia, if u can stick to xanax on gear it works great not only with sleep but also at keeping the anxiety away. Lunesta and ambien are bad news for me.

    Oh and btw im in fabulous shape im a hockey player, or at least i was, anywasy, ive ranted enough im done. w3rD

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    Talking life

    look at it this way U will never gain the 5lbs if your not around...STOP now and live .....the gym will be there forever U/WE will not nor do we want to cut what we have short,for something as small as 5lbs

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    im speechless!

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    [. I also take xanax as Im prescribed it for insomnia.

    So is my body telling me stop or is it just normal anxiety from the prop

    i dont thnk the xanax(a seditive/tranqilizer kinda like vaalum) is a great idea either. That will have u feeling groggy after u wake up the next day,and Not in the mood to hit the gym. It is also highly addictive also and is another thing 4 your liver process.

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    how can you say you have done so much damage...hell ive been using for the last 20 yrs,the last 3 without any off time whatso ever...my blood work is fine...sounds like you have some mentle issues with coming off bro,no disrespect intended,but this isnt as bad for your body as the media would have you believe

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhl1
    Well is it the uniprop thats makin me feel this pain the day afterwards and thats normal?
    Probably your body telling you it's had enough of you experimenting on it.

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    personally i dont think you are thinking rationally... you are only 5lbs. away from your life goal. id say f*** it. double up your dosages, bump up your calories with your 6-8 balanced meals from McD's, make sure to keep avoiding your cardio. and if all that doesnt work that i would suggest getting on more prescription drugs. if anything will help you bulk up it certainly will be adding another compound to strain your liver let me know how it goes. and if i dont hear from you, than ill watch the news for ya.... genious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEVLDOG
    how can you say you have done so much damage...sounds like you have some mentle issues with coming off bro,no disrespect intended,but this isnt as bad for your body as the media would have you believe
    i agree.

    xanax for insomnia??? that's like taking meth for fatigue.

    no offense bro - but it sounds like you have issues.

    and since when is someone's lifelong dream anywhere near 12% BF? i'm 12% now @ 255lbs and i dont feel anywhere close to where i'd like to be. maybe you just have very realistic dreams? i dont mean to flame, this whole thread just seems soooo odd.

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    xanex is fine for insomnia, part of hypnotic class of drugs

    ativan (lorazapam), klondapin (clonazapam), ambien (zolpidem), valium (diazapam)

    all common sleep aids and anti-anxiety meds. As long as you arn't prone to drug abuse no reason a doc wouldn't put you on it.
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    [QUOTE=thebrakes]i agree.

    "...xanax for insomnia??? that's like taking meth for fatigue."

    that is an awful comparsion, but taking one drug to combat another is not a good idea.

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