Physical evidence and Cyber evidence

**Lejes** · 07-18-2007, 10:08 PM

May I ask a series of "What if.." Questions pertaining to personal freedom and safety regarding AAS use -

1. What if say, someone on this board was describing a cycle they were currently on. Their real name is known, their address could likely be found and their identity is not phony or masked.

Safety issues with this scenario?

2. What if the authorities had in their possession, cyber evidence against someone making AAS orders possibly by access to their secure e-mail, through the ISP, or they seized the server of a dealer with a customer list.

What consequences would follow? Would no legal issues be breached if contraband was not actually found (i.e., they search their house, car, and find nothing.)

Really, what if they were tipped about a big wheel, they were sure to find 100 lbs of gear / strip their house dry and find nothing. Clear?

3. What if someone's friend went to the police and said "Hey, my friend is using steroids illegally!" Without any proof of it, just trying to get him in trouble? Would the authorities just snuff it off?

4. What of that someone's friend had proof of it (e.g., friend presents cyber evidence.)

Problems?

I am trying to find that finer line of distinguishing between the ramifications between cyber and physical evidence regarding possession of scheduled drugs. Basically, if physical evidence is found it's game over. But if not, when does cyber evidence pose a risk? When does cyber evidence alone result in punishement?

**Kratos** · 07-18-2007, 10:17 PM

If you have the expectation of privacy it is not admissible in court and can only be used to gather further evidence/obtain a warrant.

**batlin** · 07-18-2007, 10:17 PM

What if the sky falls and we all die?

I think we all take risks.. I personally feel that they are most likely going to go after the people supplying rather then the people using.. there are bigger fish to fry IMHO...

**BuffDJ** · 07-18-2007, 11:23 PM

The health risk of doing gear is more then the criminal risk. Internet chatting, or even word of mouth is nothing unless there is hard evidence (blood test, possesion, visible use)
Buff

**Lejes** · 07-19-2007, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by BuffDJ

The health risk of doing gear is more then the criminal risk. Internet chatting, or even word of mouth is nothing unless there is hard evidence (blood test, possesion, visible use)
Buff

Authorities will run a blood test and use that against you? You sure? What happens to all those athletes who test positive for drugs in competition?

**Lejes** · 07-19-2007, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by batlin

What if the sky falls and we all die?

I think we all take risks.. I personally feel that they are most likely going to go after the people supplying rather then the people using.. there are bigger fish to fry IMHO...

Okay then, take the hypothetical cases I made and consider them as dealers. (they are tattled on by word of mouth, cyber evidence, etc) ... ?

If law enforcement go in for a raid assuming it would be a huge bust, and found nothing? Despite having intellectual evidence against the individual?

**Kratos** · 07-19-2007, 11:42 AM

you are really parnoid and could never make it as a serial killer. If they found nothing, they have nothing, see my first post.

**Lejes** · 07-19-2007, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Kratos

you are really parnoid and could never make it as a serial killer. If they found nothing, they have nothing, see my first post.

Serial Killer? I don't want to murder anyone, let alone a dozen. Hahaha

Who have you killed lately?

I'm not paranoid or worried as much as I'm just wondering about the dynamics of the legal system regarding controlled substances. Just curious friend.

RA · 07-19-2007, 12:08 PM

Thats why Ive only done cycles "before"

**Kratos** · 07-19-2007, 12:09 PM

In the case of friends going to the police, they can charge you if they feel like it, if you get a lawyer and keep your mouth shut they will never convict you. I spent a little time in the state pen this year and it's worse than you can imagine. 2nd degree assault, I was just trying to break up a bar fight where a good friend was getting his ass kicked and he didn't start the fight either. Long story short I hit this asshole who picks fights in bars for fun because he is a blackbelt in some kinda martial arts and feels like a badass. His face broke in 3 places and he needed plastic surgery to fix it. Legal system sucks, but they do need evidence to make charges stick, for me the evidence was my own statement.

**Kratos** · 07-19-2007, 12:17 PM

haven't killed anyone yet but people tell me I remind them of the guy from American Psyco.

RA · 07-19-2007, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Kratos

haven't killed anyone yet but people tell me I remind them of the guy from American Psyco.

What, you like Huey Lewis?

**magic32** · 07-19-2007, 12:33 PM

Legally, they are not allowed to force an adult or child (w/o parental consent) to take a drug test based on a tip. However, if via a tip from an ex-girlfriend, parent, enemy, etc., probable cause is determined a warrant can be secured and your premises/property can be searched.

But if nothing is found, I believe (not certain) that regardless of internet posts traced to your name, cassette tapes on which you've admitted to using, multiple corroborating eyewitness testimonies, or EVEN you're own momma comin' down to the courthouse and sayin' "that boy's a Test-Head", you cannot be convicted. Watched, bugged, followed, etc..."Yes", convicted "No".

Now of course these forms of evidence hold up in other crime settings such as car accidents, homicides, domestic abuse, etc., but they would not be enough to support an aas case. And even if George W. Bush said that while on visit to the White House, he personally saw me draw and inject Enth & Tren , while admitting to being in my 7th week of cycle...in the absence of vials/amps, pins, or syringes with my prints on them, I cannot be forced to test for it. Sorry GW!