deca dick??

[Sean101]

i am currently looking into a cycle of deca , but a few juicers from the gym
told me about the possible chance impotence and sexual dysfunction,
anyone know anything about this "deca dick"

[Titleist]

Unless you don't mind a reduced libido/possible erection problems, I would recommend at least a TRT dose of Test with your Deca .

Deca will shut down your natural test production, but there will be no exogenous test to take it's place(if you are solely running Deca). That is why it's always good to have at least a maintenance dose of testosterone in there.

[Sean101]

reduced libido/possible erection problems, these arnt perminent are they? if im not using test?

[Titleist]

reduced libido/possible erection problems, these arnt perminent are they? if im not using test?

No..

[plzr8]

reduced libido/possible erection problems, these arnt perminent are they? if im not using test?

not permanent but if you are running deca , you should run it at least 10 weeks

do you possibly want 10 weeks of no use from your penis?

take a TRT dose of test at least (150mg/week)

[Sean101]

not permanent but if you are running deca , you should run it at least 10 weeks

do you possibly want 10 weeks of no use from your penis?

take a TRT dose of test at least (150mg/week)

all that needed to be said, ill grab some test

[S431M7]

all that needed to be said, ill grab some test

make sure u read them profile on those cmpd, it will also tell u what u need for pct ...or just in case of dealing with unwanted sides.

[Amorphic]

This is what you should have started reading before inquiring into deca :

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199789

keep up on your research bro. good luck

[Booz]

Unless you don't mind a reduced libido/possible erection problems, I would recommend at least a TRT dose of Test with your Deca .

Deca will shut down your natural test production, but there will be no exogenous test to take it's place(if you are solely running Deca). That is why it's always good to have at least a maintenance dose of testosterone in there.

actually using test with deca if you get deca dik will Not solve the problem at all..............
deca dik is caused by high levels of progesterone which a replacement dose will not rectify,you will need to look into bromo,caber or dostinex to rectify the problem,thats if you get it at all.................................

[fLgAtOr]

actually using test with deca if you get deca dik will Not solve the problem at all..............
deca dik is caused by high levels of progesterone which a replacement dose will not rectify,you will need to look into bromo,caber or dostinex to rectify the problem,thats if you get it at all.................................

Wouldn't the first, and most likely cause, just be from shutting down your natty test? ...As any steroid would (within reason)?

I would think that progestin issues tend to be more of a problem at higher dosages.

[vitor]

actually using test with deca if you get deca dik will Not solve the problem at all..............
deca dik is caused by high levels of progesterone which a replacement dose will not rectify,you will need to look into bromo,caber or dostinex to rectify the problem,thats if you get it at all.................................

Exactly!

[Booz]

Wouldn't the first, and most likely cause, just be from shutting down your natty test? ...As any steroid would (within reason)?

I would think that progestin issues tend to be more of a problem at higher dosages.

deca is progesterone related mate thus test will not remedy the problem ''if'' this problem occurs...........

[bpm1]

my experience so far on 300mg test cyp ew, and 600mg of deca ew, about 4 wks in (they were both frontloaded BTW)

what i have noticed so far is this
reduced libido over 1st cycle, this is to be expected as first was 500mg test, but is deca playing a role as well?im not sure

i have no problem whatsoever ahieving an erection

the only real issue im seeing is a problem reaching ejaculation, this seems to be getting harder ed (lol no pun intended)

this is my experience so far.....

[magic32]

deca is progesterone related mate thus test will not remedy the problem ''if'' this problem occurs...........

Yes, proges/prolac!
And the same potentially occurs with most Nors (Deca , Tren , Dynabolan , Nilevar , etc.)

[Booz]

my experience so far on 300mg test cyp ew, and 600mg of deca ew, about 4 wks in (they were both frontloaded BTW)

what i have noticed so far is this
reduced libido over 1st cycle, this is to be expected as first was 500mg test, but is deca playing a role as well?im not sure

i have no problem whatsoever ahieving an erection

the only real issue im seeing is a problem reaching ejaculation, this seems to be getting harder ed (lol no pun intended)

this is my experience so far.....

deca will not affect everyone this way mate...............

[helium3]

Wouldn't the first, and most likely cause, just be from shutting down your natty test? ...As any steroid would (within reason)?

I would think that progestin issues tend to be more of a problem at higher dosages.

the main cause of sexual disfunction is raised levels of prolactin which is also known as hyperprolactinemia.as suggested look into cabergoline or bromocriptine as these are dopamine agonists,which basically helps to lower prolactin secretion,thus erectile function returns to normal.each individual reacts different to levels of prolactin,luckily my labido increases while running deca on its own,go figure.

[helium3]

i would try and incorperate some test anyway as deca on its own really lowers your test levels and in turn this lowers estrogen levels in the body,sounds good?not really, over long periods it is not good at all,as estrogen in the body helps bone density and maintains the joints to name but a couple.

[bpm1]

deca will not affect everyone this way mate...............

yea, i threw it out there anyway as an example of what can happen.i never read of anyone else experiencing this either, just my experience......would cabergoline possibly help this scenerio?

[Titleist]

actually using test with deca if you get deca dik will Not solve the problem at all..............
deca dik is caused by high levels of progesterone which a replacement dose will not rectify,you will need to look into bromo,caber or dostinex to rectify the problem,thats if you get it at all.................................

Booz, calling me out, eh? Let's get ready to rumble!!!! Just kidding bro.

I'm fully aware that Deca is a progestin, but would it not be wise to think that partaking in a "Deca only" cycle would lead to a reduced libido/hard to achieve erections? Reason being, the body perceives Nandrolone as testosterone (hence the natty shutdown), but Nandrolone can't be used as testosterone in the body. If exogenous test was present, that would solve this problem.

Another reason for shutdown(which may be what you were getting at), is Deca's ability to increase Prolactin, sensitizing the HPTA, lending to shutdown. That said, I think with taking Cabergoline the progesterone sides would be minimized, and adding in at least a TRT dose of Test will make things much easier in the bedroom.

Agreed?

[Booz]

Booz, calling me out, eh? Let's get ready to rumble!!!! Just kidding bro.

I'm fully aware that Deca is a progestin, but would it not be wise to think that partaking in a "Deca only" cycle would lead to a reduced libido/hard to achieve erections? Reason being, the body perceives Nandrolone as testosterone (hence the natty shutdown), but Nandrolone can't be used as testosterone in the body. If exogenous test was present, that would solve this problem.

Another reason for shutdown(which may be what you were getting at), is Deca's ability to increase Prolactin, sensitizing the HPTA, lending to shutdown. That said, I think with taking Cabergoline the progesterone sides would be minimized, and adding in at least a TRT dose of Test will make things much easier in the bedroom.

Agreed?

i wasnt calling you out you should know me by now...........
you are correct i would always use a test of some form in every cycle but test will not solve a deca related libido problem,not everyone will get deca dick but this is not because they are using test in with their cycle,its because some are more tolerant to the prolactin/progest issues than others.............
i know some that will still get a raging hard on only using deca while others say hello to mr Droopy........
as an example.........
i can and have used high amounts of testosterone and have nev had a prob with gyno or acne ect ect,others will take a tenth of what i have and get gyno....go figure lol.................

i was taking a very high amount of test and running 600mg of deca with it,had no sexual appetite watsoever until i introduced some bromo then come get me cowboy.................

[S431M7]

my experience so far on 300mg test cyp ew, and 600mg of deca ew, about 4 wks in (they were both frontloaded BTW)

what i have noticed so far is this
reduced libido over 1st cycle, this is to be expected as first was 500mg test, but is deca playing a role as well?im not sure

i have no problem whatsoever ahieving an erection

the only real issue im seeing is a problem reaching ejaculation, this seems to be getting harder ed (lol no pun intended)

this is my experience so far.....

this is a no lau***ng matter, I had the same experince like u drafted above except that I used 400mg of deca and 500mg of test e ew for period 10 wk and 12wks respectively. I didn't have caber--or brom--- as Booze suggested at the time. Instead I used nolva ed thru the cycle and clomid and Hcg for pct. The result wasn't that bad.

[Titleist]

i wasnt calling you out you should know me by now...........
you are correct i would always use a test of some form in every cycle but test will not solve a deca related libido problem,not everyone will get deca dick but this is not because they are using test in with their cycle,its because some are more tolerant to the prolactin/progest issues than others.............
i know some that will still get a raging hard on only using deca while others say hello to mr Droopy........
as an example.........
i can and have used high amounts of testosterone and have nev had a prob with gyno or acne ect ect,others will take a tenth of what i have and get gyno....go figure lol.................

i was taking a very high amount of test and running 600mg of deca with it,had no sexual appetite watsoever until i introduced some bromo then come get me cowboy.................

I hear you brotha.

I just know that when I ran Deca, by itself, sex was a chore. Many times I couldn't even get it up, etc...Made me sad.I'd hate to see others have to go through that.

[Booz]

I hear you brotha.

I just know that when I ran Deca , by itself, sex was a chore. Many times I couldn't even get it up, etc...Made me sad.I'd hate to see others have to go through that.

i agree with you would always take something with deca/tren ect ect...........
but i wouldnt rely on test to do the job..............

[BuffDJ]

When I run deca I run 500iu of hcg every 5-7 days. Then regular PCT at the end and have never had a deca dik issues. My wife is very aware of my gear use and if it ever affected are fun time I would get cut off. NOT Literally. lol
Buff

[helium3]

Booz, calling me out, eh? Let's get ready to rumble!!!! Just kidding bro.

I'm fully aware that Deca is a progestin, but would it not be wise to think that partaking in a "Deca only" cycle would lead to a reduced libido/hard to achieve erections? Reason being, the body perceives Nandrolone as testosterone(hence the natty shutdown), but Nandrolone can't be used as testosterone in the body. If exogenous test was present, that would solve this problem.

Another reason for shutdown(which may be what you were getting at), is Deca's ability to increase Prolactin, sensitizing the HPTA, lending to shutdown. That said, I think with taking Cabergoline the progesterone sides would be minimized, and adding in at least a TRT dose of Test will make things much easier in the bedroom.



Agreed?

its mainly caused by the prolactin.

think of it this way if low/no testosterone was the problem then anyone who had the snip could never get a hard on with out hrt.this isnt the case.although test does increase labido it is not what causes erection problems.

[Titleist]

its mainly caused by the prolactin.

think of it this way if low/no testosterone was the problem then anyone who had the snip could never get a hard on with out hrt.this isnt the case.although test does increase labido it is not what causes erection problems.

Yes, I'm in complete agreeance.

Another reason for shutdown(which may be what you were getting at), is Deca's ability to increase Prolactin, sensitizing the HPTA, lending to shutdown. That said, I think with taking Cabergoline the progesterone sides would be minimized, and adding in at least a TRT dose of Test will make things much easier in the bedroom.

We cover both pathways with the addition of Test & Caber. I do agree that Prolactin increase is a large factor leading to "Deca dick".

[magic32]

i agree with you would always take something with deca /tren ect ect...........
but i wouldnt rely on test to do the job..............

Oddly, consuming at least 25mcgs of Cytomel daily will help to control prolactin levels. I don't have the references handy, but will seek to retrieve them if necessary.

[Booz]

[QUOTE=magic32]Oddly, consuming at least 50mgs of Cytomel daily will help to control prolactin and progesterone levels. I don't have the references handy, but will seek to retrieve them if necessary


would be a worthy read mate if you could find them?if not no worries..............

[magic32]

Make that prolactin and 25mcgs. I'm not sure of it, but I saw it in the Tren profile:

Ironically, even though Tren is an excellent contest prep drug, it lowers your thyroid level(23), and this raises prolactin. I recommend taking T3 (25mcgs/day) along with your Tren to avoid elevating your prolactin too high via this route.

[Misery13]

I've never had a problem with deca dick as long as I keep my test levels above my deca levels...but everyone is different.

[Dizzie*]

Sorry for bring back this old thread...but im havn a scare myself,
i just finished up a 250 test an 300 deca cycle on an finished it off with hcg 3 weeks later. and the last shot of hcg on the 4rth week off. the last shot of hcg was on december 15. about a week after the last HCG shot, its been a mission to get aroused, an even in the middle of sessions sometimes it gives up. Ive always had a crazy sexual appetite before, an especially durin the cycle, now it doesnt even feel full when it is aroused.

Please help me...an please explain without acronyms, i just joined this site right now searchin for help on this issue, an i dont know even close to the amount of knowledge you guys do. What can i do to get my drive back to how it was before the session.
Thanks

...by the way im taking tribulus and ZMA now as an attempt to help boost it back, but let me know what you guys think (im also taking cell mass since 2 days after the last hcg shot, just puttin it so you guys know the whole scenario of whats goin on with me, an im really not likin this cell mass so far, but i figure i might as well finished the bottle)...

[XNathan]

Prolactin use dopamine agonist.
Estrogen use AI or SERM
Too low test you are not recovered from cycle, hCG is supresive so basicaly is used like prePCT in time when you are still using AS.

From my experiences. I run one time deca at the end of my cycle (stupid advice of my source) on deca only there wasnt problem with sex drive or even erection but after I was put to hell of no sex drive and limp dick. I felt like homo becouse woman was to me like chair or table in matter of sexual stimuli. After 3 months I was better but still not OK. I went on test/dbol cycle after this cycle I had no problems and even without PCT was fine. Since that time I run just tren for 2times one time 8wks at 50mg EOD and second time 30mg ED, my sey drive was decreased. So Iam now stay far from 19-nor.

So wait try to get bloodwork and based on lab results you will be able to fix your problem. Be sure this is temporary and you will be fine but it will take some time!