Tbol

**Arnold42** · 07-22-2007, 10:04 PM

Just started a Tbol only cycle this past Friday. I am taking 30mg ed for five weeks and have nolva for pct.

I also have mild gyno on right side of chest from puberty. I have proviron and extra nolva on hand. Should I take either of them during cycle?

I know Tbol will probably not aromatize, I just don't want gyno to get worse.

**Dog-Slime** · 07-22-2007, 11:11 PM

Tbol does not aromatize, period. Estrogen can still become high from being shut down too long (someone correct me if Im wrong). This is the only way estro sides could become a problem and with 30mgs tbol you shouldn't have any problem with that.

**Kratos** · 07-22-2007, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Dog-Slime

Tbol does not aromatize, period. Estrogen can still become high from being shut down too long (someone correct me if Im wrong). This is the only way estro sides could become a problem and with 30mgs tbol you shouldn't have any problem with that.

only post cycle

If you are using the nolva for pct you should be fine with nothing else
I think some peopel like to throw in proviron durring oral only cycles to help with libido/lower shbg but you don't need it for gyno

**androbolic_09** · 07-22-2007, 11:16 PM

it wont be high because your test is shut down. no test, no aromatization, so no estrogen.

**Conservative** · 07-23-2007, 01:49 AM

I thought of doing the same thing at 40mg but adding 50mg winny as well. Do you think you'll notice anything from 30mg tbol only?

**badER** · 07-25-2007, 07:30 PM

Dont worry about it causing gyno during the cycle. Worry about it having a rebound effect after the cycle because it will.

**magic32** · 07-25-2007, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Arnold42

Just started a Tbol only cycle this past Friday.
WHAT'S YOUR GOAL?

I am taking 30mg ed for five weeks and have nolva for pct.
WHY THIS DOSAGE?

I also have mild gyno on right side of chest from puberty. I have proviron and extra nolva on hand. Should I take either of them during cycle?
UNNECESSARY.

I know Tbol will probably not aromatize, I just don't want gyno to get worse.
AS STATED, IT WON'T.

What are you stats and plans for this cycle?

**BuildaBeast** · 07-27-2007, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by badER

Dont worry about it causing gyno during the cycle. Worry about it having a rebound effect after the cycle because it will.

So what would you suggest he use to prevent the rebound effect?

**Arnold42** · 07-29-2007, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Magic32
What are you stats and plans for this cycle?

10th day on cycle and put on 1.5 lbs lean.
Hoping it will kick in harder in the 3rd week.

Stats:
5'-11" / 185lbs / Age 22 / 11% bf
Started lifting at age 14 for football workouts, The past 3 years I have been lifting 3-4 days a week.

Goal:
5-8lbs of lean muscle would be great
After cycle I want to try and lean down to 8%bf

I only got 100 10mg tabs so I figure 30mg a day for almost 5 weeks
or would should I bump it up to 40mg a day and go for 4 weeks

**Arnold42** · 07-29-2007, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by badER
Dont worry about it causing gyno during the cycle. Worry about it having a rebound effect after the cycle because it will.

Originally Posted by BuildaBeast
So what would you suggest he use to prevent the rebound effect?

Will nolva for pct take care of any rebound effect?

**Cocklyaev** · 07-30-2007, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by Arnold42

Will nolva for pct take care of any rebound effect?

yeah man, you should be fine with nolva...but i would try to run some AI with the t-bol if you have gyno problems. im starting a tbol only pretty soon as well, and i have coming and going gyno symptoms always. this shit flares up out of no where, and god knows what can happen even on a mild cycle for me.

**Cocklyaev** · 07-30-2007, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Arnold42

I only got 100 10mg tabs so I figure 30mg a day for almost 5 weeks
or would should I bump it up to 40mg a day and go for 4 weeks

o yeah? i dont know if thats a decent enough cycle to be doing. i would say the minimum you would need for a half decent OT only cycle would be 3000mg. im doing 8 weeks, starting on 40 and moving my way up to 80. but hey, if you're increasing in weight and lifts, keep us updated on the mini-cycle.

**Swifto** · 07-30-2007, 06:59 AM

Chemically, Tbol cant aromotase, though I have seen estrogenic symtoms reports from its use at high doses.

Get some more Tbol IMHO.

Start at 40mg/ED and work to a dose that suits. I like around 60-80mg/ED. run it for 6-8 weeks IMO. From my experience its not that liver toxic at all.