advice on 8 week long esterfied injectables

**john vega** · 08-02-2007, 08:52 AM

wats up guyz/few gals out there...i have a question that i cud really use some educated advice from an experienced user. again my stats are 5 feet 9 inches...200 pounds..8% bf. i have done few cycles and i personally feel that i respond better to the longer esterfied injectables...however, i pay heed to the time on=time off protocol..and guyz..lets face it..nutins worse than being off. so, id like to keep my recovery time off from cycles as short as possible..meanwhile incorporating wat responds best in me...long esters. i was brainstorming all night and all i cud come up wat is this...
my goal is to attain nice lean muscle mass...i was gonna use dbol ..but figured that id use t instead since dbol wud be toxic to run 8 weeks thru and i wanted an oral to run alongside an 8 week plan...so ive come up with this...

weeks 1-8 tbol-80 mgs ed
weeks 1-8 tes e.400 mgs weekly.(frontloading first week) 800 mgs.maintain 400 mgs after week 1
weeks1-8 deca 400 mgs ew.(frontloading 800 mgs also 1st week).

nolva 10 mgs eod just to be safe rathet than sorry.

clomid two weeks after enanthate ester clears my system.
300 mgs for first week.ed
100 mgs for next 2 weeks ed
50 mgs ed last week. (total 4 weeks)
nolva 10 mgs ed alongside clomid
arimidex -.5 mg ed alonside.

is this okay..or shud i frontload for two weeks with enanthate and deca being that its an eight week cycle. im looking to put on a good solid mature solid pounds. i didnt chose any dht's cause of mpb...and this way..i dont have to be forced to cap off with a substance like var or prop cause i ran the tbol all the way thru..

thankx for advice guyz...

**john vega** · 08-02-2007, 08:59 AM

sorry fellas, i didnt make mention bout my goal in pds. looking 2 put on bout 20 pounds of mature muscle. my body gets big and symmetrical same time. good genetics...

**lex57** · 08-02-2007, 09:02 AM

fyi bro.... dont use nolva with deca . u may do yourself more harm than good. there are a few good threads about not using it.

**Merc..** · 08-02-2007, 09:02 AM

Drop the nolva !! When using 19 nor's (deca ,tren )nolva could be a bad idea as it increases PgR in breast tissue thus giving more for the nandrolone metabolites to bind to . So taking nolva while using 19 nor's could possible increase your chance of getting gyno !!! I like using letro when using deca as it has been shown to lower PgR ...

Originally Posted by john vega

wats up guyz/few gals out there...i have a question that i cud really use some educated advice from an experienced user. again my stats are 5 feet 9 inches...200 pounds..8% bf. i have done few cycles and i personally feel that i respond better to the longer esterfied injectables...however, i pay heed to the time on=time off protocol..and guyz..lets face it..nutins worse than being off. so, id like to keep my recovery time off from cycles as short as possible..meanwhile incorporating wat responds best in me...long esters. i was brainstorming all night and all i cud come up wat is this...
my goal is to attain nice lean muscle mass...i was gonna use dbol ..but figured that id use t instead since dbol wud be toxic to run 8 weeks thru and i wanted an oral to run alongside an 8 week plan...so ive come up with this...

weeks 1-8 tbol-80 mgs ed
weeks 1-8 tes e.400 mgs weekly.(frontloading first week) 800 mgs.maintain 400 mgs after week 1
weeks1-8 deca 400 mgs ew.(frontloading 800 mgs also 1st week).

nolva 10 mgs eod just to be safe rathet than sorry.

clomid two weeks after enanthate ester clears my system.
300 mgs for first week.ed
100 mgs for next 2 weeks ed
50 mgs ed last week. (total 4 weeks)
nolva 10 mgs ed alongside clomid
arimidex -.5 mg ed alonside.

is this okay..or shud i frontload for two weeks with enanthate and deca being that its an eight week cycle. im looking to put on a good solid mature solid pounds. i didnt chose any dht's cause of mpb...and this way..i dont have to be forced to cap off with a substance like var or prop cause i ran the tbol all the way thru..

thankx for advice guyz...

**Merc..** · 08-02-2007, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by lex57

fyi bro.... dont use nolva with deca. u may do yourself more harm than good. there are a few good threads about not using it.

You beat me to it !!! LOL

Merc !!!!!

**john vega** · 08-02-2007, 10:21 AM

thankx 4 advice bout nolva with deca . shud i use arimidex alongside instead in case of gyno. also, how does the overall cycle appear. shud i frontload 1 week or first 2 weeks since its an 8 weeker with long esterfied injectable...

**nyjetsfan86** · 08-02-2007, 10:30 AM

IMO i would up the dose of the test e 500-600mg a week and i would also run the test e longer than 8 weeks. test e doesnt even kick in for 4-6 weeks for most people

**john vega** · 08-02-2007, 11:17 AM

but thats y i planned on frontloading it for first two weeks so it kix in quiker and i cud maintain remaining 6 weekx at 500 mgs ew. this way i cud get in quik and come out quik. make sense to you. anymore people cud give me feedbak on this cycle.

**Kratos** · 08-02-2007, 11:25 AM

Even with the frontload I would run the cycle longer
12 weeks deca
14 weeks testosterone
But you don't have to

**nyjetsfan86** · 08-02-2007, 11:26 AM

i nderstan, id go with more then 8 weeks of test e anyway though

**Merc..** · 08-02-2007, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by john vega

thankx 4 advice bout nolva with deca. shud i use arimidex alongside instead in case of gyno. also, how does the overall cycle appear. shud i frontload 1 week or first 2 weeks since its an 8 weeker with long esterfied injectable...

Like I said I like letro when using 19 nor's . Seems to work well for me and alot of people I know. If you do go with letro start it like 1-2 wks before you start your cycle ( has a very long active life and could take quite sometime to reach stable blood plasma levels.. ) Have not front loaded myself yet. I am researching the most effective way (as we speak) to have a protocol for my next cycle... Good luck and please keep us posted on how your front loaded cycle goes ..

Merc !!!!

**Njord** · 08-02-2007, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by mercedesdd

Like I said I like letro when using 19 nor's . Seems to work well for me and alot of people I know. If you do go with letro start it like 1-2 wks before you start your cycle ( has a very long active life and could take quite sometime to reach stable blood plasma levels.. ) Have not front loaded myself yet. I am researching the most effective way (as we speak) to have a protocol for my next cycle... Good luck and please keep us posted on how your front loaded cycle goes ..

Merc !!!!

I remember reading the bolded quote above before in AR's book and was kind of confused about it. Do you really need to have "stable blood plasma levels" of Letro before you start the cycle? I don't think you do, but I would be interested to see what some other thoughts on the subject are.

**Kratos** · 08-02-2007, 12:45 PM

don't frontload letro, you will be inhibiting the enzyme regarless of weather blood plasma levels are stable or not. No real need to start early either.

**Merc..** · 08-02-2007, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Kratos

don't frontload letro, you will be inhibiting the enzyme regarless of weather blood plasma levels are stable or not. No real need to start early either.

True about inhibiting the enzyme , and was one of my first reactions when I saw post saying to start letro prior to cycle . The general concinnus on the board is to start letro prior to starting cycle I guess the main reason for this is everyone is scared as hell of getting gyno . I agree due to the fact the enzyme will be inhibited it MAY be overkill but many people here do start it prior to cycle...

**yahya1966** · 08-03-2007, 01:25 AM

i'm not gyno prone, but i use an ai during cycle anyway to keep the bloat down. i don't really see the need for a serm during cycle unless you've had gyno issues before, and letro would be better for that anyway. nolva and 19-nors = no no.