First Cycle, need help

[jerseyboy811]

Well it isn't really my first cycle, a year ago I got a cycle of Equ from a friend, this is just gonna be my first well researched and proper cycle i suppose.
I'm 6'0", 165 lbs. 21 and have been lifting since I was 15. I'm not a big kid by any means, very thin waste, but im in really good shape, probably like 4% body fat, if that and am quite strong for my size. I have always been skinny so juicing has always been on my mind to get myself bigger, and in taking the equipoise I managed to get stronger and insanely cut, but not much bigger. I have been wanting to do decca cause from what I have read it seems like a good choice and has minimal side affects (which is most important to me) and I don't want to get too big, and I know everyone says you shouldn't do a cycle without test, but I'm afraid of the side affects or that it will get me too big. I wanted to do a cycle of Deca with Winny or Primo, but i've never came across anyone even considering this. I just wanted to know what everyone here would reccomend for me? And if there's a reason, why I wouldn't do what I wanted. Plus what is the best PCT? and also I was going to order the 20 ml sachets for the price, but everyone seems to say they cause alot of pain and I think i read (can't tell cause of the ****) that the supplier is a choice-scammer and that they take forever. The only other supplier i have came across that seems credible is extremely expensive and has no sachets ([a day][urine][see]). I just never know what to trust because I assume the people saying the first supplier is a choice scammer could be working for another web site.

[jerseyboy811]

should i just get nolvadex to reduce water retention? and that way i wouldn't get too huge too?

[longhorn814]

please post what your diet is like? I guarantee you the reason your not gaining naturally at your age is b/c you dont enough to gain weight. Diet dictates what kind of gains you get from steroids , not the steroids themselves. Deca alone is a bad idea..it is highly supressive and you put yourself at risk of suffering the dreaded deca dick!! If you want to do a cycle, which I highly dont recommend yet, is a simple cycle of test e for 10-12 weeks followed by proper PCT. I suggest you do a lot more research about proper cycling as well as how to eat. Here is an example of a good bulking diet. If youre not eating like this, start eating like otherwise steroids wont do you much good..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010

[SMAN12b]

please post what your diet is like? I guarantee you the reason your not gaining naturally at your age is b/c you dont enough to gain weight. Diet dictates what kind of gains you get from steroids , not the steroids themselves. Deca alone is a bad idea..it is highly supressive and you put yourself at risk of suffering the dreaded deca dick!! If you want to do a cycle, which I highly dont recommend yet, is a simple cycle of test e for 10-12 weeks followed by proper PCT. I suggest you do a lot more research about proper cycling as well as how to eat. Here is an example of a good bulking diet. If youre not eating like this, start eating like otherwise steroids wont do you much good..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010

Nuff Said !!!!!

6' and ONLY 165lbs......steroids are NOTHING but a waste for you !!! they will do NOTHING for you and anything they do for you will be lost because you do NOT KNOW HOW TO EAT TO GROW !!!!!

Please rethink your approach. You should be able to get to well over 200lbs NATURALLY before ever needing steroids

[jerseyboy811]

i was about to add that i have no fear of deca dick, i could use a little less horniness. plus i started a cycle of deca once then 3 weeks into it go the flu for a week and didn't wanna risk ****ing myself up or anything so i just stopped, never had any libido problems. but also i do eat a shit load, and alot of whey protein, that's how i got up to 165, naturally id prolly weigh around 140. I probably don't eat as well as I could, but I'm a college kid and don't have much of a choice what I eat. either what's at home or what's in the cafeteria. But I'd say my average is like 2 or 3 bowls of cereal for breakfast or about 6 waffles, a bowl of soup and a sandwich for lunch, some salad maybe, or hot dogs and beans. and mostly steak and chicken for dinner or pasta. I just have a crazy metabolism, i'll eat twice as much as all of my friends and won't gain weight. I need to eat like an animal to keep my weight where it is. But You are right my diet could be adjusted and when I do start my cycle this time I will make sure to eat as well as I can.

[jerseyboy811]

yea i def. don't eat 8 meals a day, but i eat alot more than that at each meal, but my problem is between i eat shitty snacks. which should make me gain even more weight tho

[jerseyboy811]

and im waiting til the end of august so i can be at school and sit in the cafeteria and eat as much as i want until im full.

[SMAN12b]

i was about to add that i have no fear of deca dick, i could use a little less horniness. plus i started a cycle of deca once then 3 weeks into it go the flu for a week and didn't wanna risk ****ing myself up or anything so i just stopped, never had any libido problems. but also i do eat a shit load, and alot of whey protein, that's how i got up to 165, naturally id prolly weigh around 140. I probably don't eat as well as I could, but I'm a college kid and don't have much of a choice what I eat. either what's at home or what's in the cafeteria. But I'd say my average is like 2 or 3 bowls of cereal for breakfast or about 6 waffles, a bowl of soup and a sandwich for lunch, some salad maybe, or hot dogs and beans. and mostly steak and chicken for dinner or pasta. I just have a crazy metabolism, i'll eat twice as much as all of my friends and won't gain weight. I need to eat like an animal to keep my weight where it is. But You are right my diet could be adjusted and when I do start my cycle this time I will make sure to eat as well as I can.

Crazy metabolism is a BULLSHIT answer EVERY guy that doesn't eat right gives for not being able to gain weight.

Just from what you posted YOUR DIET SUCKS !!!!!

You want to gain then you have to EAT. Steroids DO NOT add calories to your body !!

You need to be eating a WHOLE MEAL every TWO HOURS !!!!!!!!!

try this

Meal #1 10 egg whites, 2 whole eggs
..............16 oz. oatmeal
.............. 1/2 grapefruit

#2--2 hours later- 12-16 oz chicken breast
.................. 8-12 oz plain baked potato

#3--2 hours later.. 12-16 oz lean steak
........................ 8-12 oz brown rice

#4-- 2 hours later... two cans tuna fish
........................... 8-12 oz white or sweet potato

#5--2 hours later.... 12-16 oz chicken breast
........................... 8-12 oz brown rice

#6-- 2 hours later.... GET THE PICTURE

you have to eat WHOLE FOOD not whey protein that goes straight through you....

you try eating like this for a month and see if you don't gain with your Crazy A$$ metabolism......

Sorry I am being harsh, but you are just ANOTHER too young kid that knows all the answers and doesnt' want to hear the real facts or do the REAL Work to obtain your goals...

so good luck

[Merc..]

Good post Sman !!!

[jerseyboy811]

wait i dont wanna gain alot of weight tho. i said i don't wanna get that much bigger. i box so i don't really wanna get above 180 and i can't get too bulky or i'll sacrifice speed and the strength of my punch. which is why i initially said i wouldn't wanna take a test and why i wanna decca with a winny or primo which have minimal loss of gains neway.

[jerseyboy811]

getting up to 174 or 184 would be ideal

[jerseyboy811]

not to mention i thought caloric intake was only necessary if you wanted to gain weight or get bigger. i thought i read that if you were on a cutting cycle to have low caloric intake. that it all depends on what you're trying to acheive

[laylow714]

I'm considering using roids. My friend tried testoprim-d and he got an infection and he said it hurt like hell. He had a bump on his shoulder that looked like it was full of water. I remember he did everything he was told: clean area with alcahol, use a new needle. I was there when he did it, but chickened out after seeing my friends experience. Both of us are thinking about taking the pills instead. Any advise I can get would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

[Merc..]

I'm considering using roids. My friend tried testoprim-d and he got an infection and he said it hurt like hell. He had a bump on his shoulder that looked like it was full of water. I remember he did everything he was told: clean area with alcahol, use a new needle. I was there when he did it, but chickened out after seeing my friends experience. Both of us are thinking about taking the pills instead. Any advise I can get would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Welcome to the board!!!! Please dont hijack threads.. Please start your own thread as you will get a better response that way.... Thanks and enjoy the site..


Merc

[jerseyboy811]

i ate the same on equipoise and gained 50 lbs. on my bench, wasn't even taking whey then. and never lost strength after. and yea, you both sent me to bulking diets, why don't you read my post first?

[longhorn814]

youre young, the gains should come easily naturally..if you wanna gain 10 lbs, you do NOT need steroids ..learn how to eat...steroids are NOT miracle drugs, you shouldnt even consider them til after youve been training for many years and have learned how to train and eat properly. You think deca wont blow you up like test? Your sadly mistaken. Deca is a classic bulking steroid ..of course if you eat like crap then deca, test, tren , eq or whatever wont do jack shit for you..i read your first post and I said you dont know how to eat to grow and after reading your additional posts, you have just proved that you dont know how to eat to grow. You say youre a college student..well spend your money on food and not steroids. The gains that come naturally from diet are permanent, the gains from steroids and an improper diet are temporary

[Lexed]

I dont think your 4% Bf

[Kratos]

What makes you think test will put more weight on you than deca ?

You don't need steroids , you need a proper diet.

You arn't 4% bodyfat GTD

At 180 you will still look like a bitch body at 6'

Fill your fridge with turkey tit, chicken boob and rice. Eat it between meals and forget about steroids. You can find qualitiy food in the school cafe if you look for it, and use the milk dispenser instead of the soda fountain.

[godkilla]

from what i read your all over the place and have no buisness doing steroids . first you say you dont wanna get too big, then you say 14-24lbs would be ideal, then you say you dont have to eat cause your cutting. and the crown jewel is your diet, its sucks balls. 2-3bowls of cereal or 5 waffles for breakfast? you could atleast try a little instead of trying to replace hard work and dedication with a needle.

and lmfao@eat like an animal

[PEWN]

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