need some advice

**hometown** · 08-09-2007, 08:40 AM

First ??? Why does deca and trenbalone not work well together.

Second?? I have taken many cycles, just one some opinions.
I have Test cyp 200, trenbalone 200, deca 400 how would you stack
this simple cycle. (I have plenty of all three)

Thanks in advance, I know I will get some good feed back from this site.

**PEWN** · 08-09-2007, 08:43 AM

We need to know more about you

age,height,weight,bf%, cycle history, diet,training.... pct ?

**kfrost06** · 08-09-2007, 08:45 AM

Deca and tren don't work well together because they are both 19-nors they will be competeing w/each other. To get synergy you will need to add some test or DHTs.

**PEWN** · 08-09-2007, 08:48 AM

synergy

i hate that word... its used to much in buisness meetings..

**longhorn814** · 08-09-2007, 08:49 AM

there have been plenty of people who have used deca and tren together..i cant say I have but if you use the search button you might get some answers

**Amorphic** · 08-09-2007, 12:17 PM

Generally people avoid running deca and tren together because of the fact boh stimulate the progesterone receptor, tren especially. High doses of both would produce high progesterone and or prolactin levels that would need to be kept in check. People often run deca at a low dose for their joints when on tren, and it works well apparently.

**S431M7** · 08-09-2007, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by hometown

First ??? Why does deca and trenbalone not work well together.

Second?? I have taken many cycles, just one some opinions.
I have Test cyp 200, trenbalone 200, deca 400 how would you stack
this simple cycle. (I have plenty of all three)

Thanks in advance, I know I will get some good feed back from this site.

my advise to u is don't fnck with deca or tren if u don't know what pct plan to use afterward or during your cycle. otherwise u will regret why use them later.

**Amorphic** · 08-09-2007, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by S431M7

my advise to u is don't fnck with deca or tren if u don't what pct plan to use afterward or during your cycle. otherwise u will regret why use them later.

Trying to understand what you say sometimes is near impossible.

Dont know what pct plan to use afterward or during your cycle? Pct is always after your cycle, your posts are confusing as hell to read.

**hometown** · 08-09-2007, 01:47 PM

I didnt get that post either. Stats 31yrs old 225lb 12%bf my last cycle was about 3 months ago test/anadrol and some test/equpoise/winstrol . I have lost some strength and elbows are very tender.

I wanted this cylce to be simple do to funds, I havent done deca for a while thought it would be good foor the joints.

My thoughts:

Deca 400mg a week 1-10
Test cyp 600mg week 1-10
Test enthenate 400mg 10-16
trenbalone 200mg eod 10-16

Fallow up with PCT

**S431M7** · 08-09-2007, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

Trying to understand what you say sometimes is near impossible.

well, the only way u could understand is by asking question on specifics that are not clear to u.

Originally Posted by Amorphic

Dont know what pct plan to use afterward or during your cycle? Pct is always after your cycle, your posts are confusing as hell to read.

True pct are usually recommend after a cycle, however, in some case whereby if u think u are seriously prone to certain sides, say acne or weaker libidio , u can start taking taking some the anti-estrogen supplement used in pct while u are still cycling.

**Merc..** · 08-09-2007, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by S431M7

well, the only way u could understand is by asking question on specifics that are not clear to u.

True pct are usually recommend after a cycle, however, in some case whereby if u think u are seriously prone to certain sides, say acne or weaker libidio , u can start taking taking some the anti-estrogen supplement used in pct while u are still cycling.

Bump Amorphic ... LOL ..

**Amorphic** · 08-09-2007, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by S431M7

True pct are usually recommend after a cycle, however, in some case whereby if u think u are seriously prone to certain sides, say acne or weaker libidio , u can start taking taking some the anti-estrogen supplement used in pct while u are still cycling.

If i was cycling, and for any cycle i would recommend for any user, I would think they would have the foresight to plan for these sides, rather than waiting for them to appear. Ie, running nolva ed through your cycle, or arimidex or letro for a 19nor cycle.

I think its silly to do things at the last minute, these kinds of things should be planned and continued throughout your cycle as well into pct.

**Amorphic** · 08-09-2007, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by hometown

I didnt get that post either. Stats 31yrs old 225lb 12%bf my last cycle was about 3 months ago test/anadrol and some test/equpoise/winstrol . I have lost some strength and elbows are very tender.

I wanted this cylce to be simple do to funds, I havent done deca for a while thought it would be good foor the joints.

My thoughts:

Deca 400mg a week 1-10
Test cyp 600mg week 1-10
Test enthenate 400mg 10-16
trenbalone 200mg eod 10-16

Fallow up with PCT

Okay, before i grill this too much, you say you have run many cycles, how many would that be? I say this because when I look at this cycle, it looks like it was planned out by someone that has no idea what they are doing.

If you are going to run deca, run it for 12 weeks. I dont understand why you are choosing to run 2 tests together as well, combined you are running a gram a week, there is no need for that, and all you are going to get out of it are sides and aromatization.

My suggestion:

1-14 test e 600mg/w
1-12 deca 400mg/w
8-12 tren 100mg/ed

What is your pct going to be? Make sure to run a strong one, I suggest the pct from anthony roberts, you'll find it in the pct section

For ancillaries, to combat sides, i would get some cabergoline or run letro at .25mg ed throughout the cycle to combat water retention as well as progesterone.

Anyone else open to critique or suggest?

**SilverToungedDevil** · 08-09-2007, 02:45 PM

+1 "amorphic"

**Kratos** · 08-09-2007, 02:50 PM

I like what you laid out there amorphic, the only thing I would change is run the Tren from week 1-8 if it is ace. It will get the cycle kicking a bit sooner. Cabergoline and letro a must for this cycle. Many report great results with deca and tren. Haven't used the two in concert myself.

**Amorphic** · 08-09-2007, 03:42 PM

1-8 tren ace 100mg/ed
1-14 test e 600mg/w
1-12 deca 400mg/w

Revised, there you have it, good cycle to go off of, pct and ancilleries, as per other post.

**rabidsquirrel** · 08-09-2007, 04:32 PM

isnt the tren probably tren e, just a guess because of the dose. all the tren a ive seen was around 100mg/ml. but then again i havent seen them all.

**hometown** · 08-10-2007, 08:51 AM

thanks for all the great replys, at one time I considered myself to know what I was talking about when it came to supplements, I have got wrapped up in family and work. Not wanting to be a body builder although I have done shows and very succesful when I was younger. The reason for the test and deca is they come from my Doctor, I will never touch mexican stuff again. The tren is from a reliable source who makes it.

I will follow the cycle above to the T, I respond very well to any supplement.

One more question, I have never had any sides from any cycle I eat very clean, no acne, little water retinion, my only concern would be tits whats the best for that during youre cycle with out taking away from the cycle.

Thanks for all the replys

**kfrost06** · 08-10-2007, 09:04 AM

700mg tren /wk and 400mg deca /week doesn't make much sense. Make sure you have plenty of letro and caber and don't expect to have sex during cycle. 19-nors are also known to alter your mood more then other compounds.

**Merc..** · 08-10-2007, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by hometown

thanks for all the great replys, at one time I considered myself to know what I was talking about when it came to supplements, I have got wrapped up in family and work. Not wanting to be a body builder although I have done shows and very succesful when I was younger. The reason for the test and deca is they come from my Doctor, I will never touch mexican stuff again. The tren is from a reliable source who makes it.

I will follow the cycle above to the T, I respond very well to any supplement.

One more question, I have never had any sides from any cycle I eat very clean, no acne, little water retinion, my only concern would be tits whats the best for that during youre cycle with out taking away from the cycle.

Thanks for all the replys

Already addressed in an above post.. Amorphic's ..

since your using 2 19 nors I would not use any sorta of SERM , nolva ect.( due to an increase in PgR that could occur )..

Letro has been shown to lower PgR and it what I prefer when using a 19 nor ( helps in other ways also).

Caber is a good idea with a 19 nor also IMO.

I wanted to just point this out something in general because I have been seeing some peeps confusing progesterone and prolactin. There are two different hormones guys . Prolactin effects the mammary glad.. Progesterone is a female hormone thats effects pregnancy menstrual cycles and embryo genesis.. Oh shit I am sorry I just got stuck on stupid with one on my boring rants... Sorry..

Anyways , Caber and letro to answer your question in short lol....

Merc

**Merc..** · 08-10-2007, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by kfrost06

700mg tren/wk and 400mg deca/week doesn't make much sense. Make sure you have plenty of letro and caber and don't expect to have sex during cycle. 19-nors are also known to alter your mood more then other compounds.

True they have an effect on serogenic amines in the brain thus lowering serotonin levels..

**hometown** · 08-10-2007, 12:26 PM

Ok what if I got rid of the tren and added anavar , just got a six month script of oxandralone btg 2.5mg. how does 20mg ed sound.

I need something simple

**hometown** · 08-10-2007, 01:01 PM

I meant 40 mg a day week1-8

**Kratos** · 08-10-2007, 01:14 PM

I think the tren would be better. Mabe just back it down to 50 mg ed. 40 mg with anavar isn't going to do much next to deca but no reason you couldn't do that if you wanted.