2nd Cycle: TrenE, Test E, Winn E, oops er Winny

[pr0digalsun]

OK so I have been training really freaking hard for the last two years and Im finally down to 12-13% BF

about six months ago i started tracking my diet to the gram and actually went from 23%BF in december to 12% now. i do hard cardio twice a week, specific muscle groups workouts 3x week, and then a full body hard core workout with complex movement with a trainer once a week.

So I am going to start my second real cycle an would like comments on it. but dont be d|cks. my goal with my cycle is i would like to cut up, get to 9% BF, and loose sticky fat on lower back

here are my stats: 203 Lbs 12%BF 6' 33yo. Ive been training for most my adult life, time but been very dedicated the last 2 years. 2 years ago i stopped using drugs and started going to the gym instead. i now workout as hard as i used to party, and with the same commitment LOL

about a year ago i was on HGH for 6months (money blown down the tube). then in apr I was on a 10wk test cyp 500/wk, EQ 600/wk cycle. afterwards i did 4 wks PCT and kept all the strength gains. during this cycle and during PCT i was on IGF. i didnt have any sides besides insomnia and hot skin, and only when i first started the cycle.

so here is what i want to do now:
tren e 300mg every 3.5 days
test e 150mg every 3.5 days
winny 75mg ED

I'll start the test 1 wk before and finish 2 wks after last tren dose. I'll frontload both on the first doses. I will use tren and winny for total of ten wks, test for 13.

I have aromasin, nolva, hcg from my last PCT, and i'll probably use aromasin 20 EOD during cycle esp if my tits start itching or growing or i start to feel girlish in any way

like i said, any comment are appreciated. except ones like "youre nto ready for your cycle" or "wait until youre at 9% BF" or "you havent been dedicated long enough" those all may be true but i already know.

thanks,
PS

[Merc..]

OK so I have been training really freaking hard for the last two years and Im finally down to 12-13% BF

about six months ago i started tracking my diet to the gram and actually went from 23%BF in december to 12% now. i do hard cardio twice a week, specific muscle groups workouts 3x week, and then a full body hard core workout with complex movement with a trainer once a week.

So I am going to start my second real cycle an would like comments on it. but dont be d|cks. my goal with my cycle is i would like to cut up, get to 9% BF, and loose sticky fat on lower back

here are my stats: 203 Lbs 12%BF 6' 33yo. Ive been training for most my adult life, time but been very dedicated the last 2 years. 2 years ago i stopped using drugs and started going to the gym instead. i now workout as hard as i used to party, and with the same commitment LOL

about a year ago i was on HGH for 6months (money blown down the tube). then in apr I was on a 10wk test cyp 500/wk, EQ 600/wk cycle. afterwards i did 4 wks PCT and kept all the strength gains. during this cycle and during PCT i was on IGF. i didnt have any sides besides insomnia and hot skin, and only when i first started the cycle.

so here is what i want to do now:
tren e 300mg every 3.5 days
test e 150mg every 3.5 days
winny 75mg ED

I'll start the test 1 wk before and finish 2 wks after last tren dose. I'll frontload both on the first doses. I will use tren and winny for total of ten wks, test for 13.

I have aromasin, nolva, hcg from my last PCT, and i'll probably use aromasin 20 EOD during cycle esp if my tits start itching or growing or i start to feel girlish in any way

like i said, any comment are appreciated. except ones like "youre nto ready for your cycle" or "wait until youre at 9% BF" or "you havent been dedicated long enough" those all may be true but i already know.

thanks,
PS

Where to start , well lets take a look and see.

First off dont go 10 wks with winny ( 5- 6 wks ).. and why starting test one week prior to tren E ??

Test to low tren E to high..

why not go with something like

wk 1-14 test e 500 mg EW
wk 1-12 tren e
wk 1-6 winny 50 - 75 mg ED

You said you ran 500 mg of test last cycle why only run 300/wk this cycle??

Merc

[rabidsquirrel]

i think its pretty good. i would start tren same time as test. and winny is real hard on the live so and wouldnt run it 10 weeks. 6 tops for me. trens gonna cut the fu** out u anyway.

[rabidsquirrel]

damn to slow

[rabidsquirrel]

im thinking of running my test lower next cycle, ance sides are real bad for me

[pr0digalsun]

Where to start , well lets take a look and see.

First off dont go 10 wks with winny ( 5- 6 wks ).. and why starting test one week prior to tren E ??

Test to low tren E to high..

why not go with something like

wk 1-14 test e 500 mg EW
wk 1-12 tren e
wk 1-6 winny 50 - 75 mg ED

You said you ran 500 mg of test last cycle why only run 300/wk this cycle??

Merc

well, test makes me gain, but i really want to cut, so I am really only running test to keep from getting fina dick. i'll cut the winny down to 8 wks and get liver enzyme levels checked every few weeks.

[Merc..]

well, test makes me gain, but i really want to cut, so I am really only running test to keep from getting fina dick. i'll cut the winny down to 8 wks and get liver enzyme levels checked every few weeks.

Oh and i forgot to add your nowhere near ready to juice !! You need to be 2% BF .. Sorry couldn't help myself after re reading your first post . just messing with ya .. LOL.

Anyways I got ya !!! Please make sure to keep us posted on your results .. Glad to hear your decitated to training now a days and have gave up on partying . I give you props on that !!!

Merc

[pr0digalsun]

Oh and i forgot to add your nowhere near ready to juice !! You need to be 2% BF .. Sorry couldn't help myself after re reading your first post . just messing with ya .. LOL.

Anyways I got ya !!! Please make sure to keep us posted on your results .. Glad to hear your decitated to training now a days and have gave up on partying . I give you props on that !!!

Merc

hahahha
thanks for the props man

[pr0digalsun]

ok so here is what im gonna do

300 tren e every 3.5 days wks 1-10
150 test e every 3.5 days wks 1-14
winny 75mg ED wks 2-10

[Merc..]

ok so here is what im gonna do

300 tren e every 3.5 days wks 1-10
150 test e every 3.5 days wks 1-14
winny 75mg ED wks 2-10

I think that tren e dose is high ( this is your first time with tren) . If it was me I would consider lowing the tren e dose and going 12wks instead of 10wks with it.

Merc

[pr0digalsun]

UPDATE:
They calipered me at 9.56% BF at the gym which is really fvcking exciting. I weigh 215. I dont look like 9%BF though becasue I still cant see all of my a**ominals and i have visible fat deposits on lower back. To me, i look like 13%, maybe it measured really low b.c i had taken a diruretic but whatever, it' still better than the 24% i calipered at 2 years ago.

[pr0digalsun]

BTW the cycle i decided on is:

330 tren e every 3.5 days
125 test e every 3.5 days
winny 60 mg orally every 12 hrs

[pr0digalsun]

also, at first my blood pressure was really really high, i had insomnia, and my skin was hotter than hell, but it's all back to normal now.

[TEST_ME!]

BTW the cycle i decided on is:

330 tren e every 3.5 days
125 test e every 3.5 days
winny 60 mg orally every 12 hrs

Bro why you running your tren at such a high dose for a first time?i'd suggest running it at 250mg every 3.5days,and such a high dose of win?40mg every 12hrs its more then enough with tren,they'l cut you up pretty good.otherwise looks solid.good luck man

[J*U*icEd]

id say up the test and drop the tren E doses... also run the winny for 6 weeks for the later half of the cycle(like say weeks 6-12)....

[pr0digalsun]

So it's been a year since my last cycle. I have been cutting with diet for the last two months. I am down to 193 pounds. I think I am going to run the same cycle again.

[mkrulic]

well, test makes me gain, but i really want to cut, so I am really only running test to keep from getting fina dick. i'll cut the winny down to 8 wks and get liver enzyme levels checked every few weeks.

is this the goal for the winny? winny does not burn fat

[pr0digalsun]

is this the goal for the winny? winny does not burn fat

In my personal experience it has reduced my BF and increased the size and hardness of my muscles.