No getting gains??

[sms]

have been using deca 600mg pr wk and sus250 at 500mg pr wk for 7weeks, and Letro at 0.5 ml for first 4 wks and have since dropped down to 0.02 mg EOD, dostinex at 1mg pr wk to cover prolactin levels but have since dropped down to 0.5mg pr wk as was effecting my appetite.

I watch my diet and have been eating and regualr protein shakes as am a hard gainer! I have a become very lean no water retention and hard but my weight has remained the same ! I know I have loss some body fat and am leaner but am wondering why im not blowing out?? I have very small gyno lump in right pec and have been uising Letro to make sure this doesn't get worse but am not packing on the pounds on the scales?? shld I be using even less letro ?? is this effecting my gains?? or am I not using enough Testosterone with the Deca should I increase the ammount of test im using??

please help guys advice appreciated!

[Kratos]

If your gear is real, the culpit can only be food.

[Titleist]

You will definitely see results at the doses you are using, no need to up the dose.

Your stuff may not have kicked in yet, you may not be taking in enough cals(which is what it sounds like), your gear may not be legit.

[sms]

have had blood test and gear is ok and my balls have shrunk so am guessing gear is ok, but I am finding it hard to eat enuf prior to starting I had been eating same ammount and had beenputting on weight now seems like no matter what i do I am leaning up my muscles are fuller but no weight going up on sclaes??

[sms]

The gear is very advanced stuff if u know what i mean

[Stock]

Show us your diet

[timtim]

not eating enough.

[sms]

morning on wake up protein sheake with 2cups skim milk, them bowl oats,
mid morning tin of tuna 100g , protein shake 2 cups skim milk,
lunch cup pasta, with veal, or 1 rump steak with vegetables and 1 cup rice
mid afternoon, protein bar, tin of tuna 100g,
post work out 2 slices raisen toast,
after workout- protein shake with 2cup skim milk and 3 BCAA capsules
dinner- chicken stir fry with half cup rice and half cup steamed veg 400g chicken breast

thats a standard day

I do have alot of trouble putting on weight and find im not hungry all time and have to force feed??:-(

[Second2None]

are you trying to bulk?
eat more, forget 2 slices eat half the loaf,
i would run the test stronger than deca

[sonnygll]

That could be enough food depending on the portions. Add up the total calories for the day and your total grams of protein and post that. We also need your weight.

I also remember reading something about extremely low estrogen levels affecting gains. You're on letro, but you have that lump, so I don't know. You might want to search for that. Wish I could remember. It has to be on this site though, I don't go to any other steroid sites.

[aolsux00]

I do have alot of trouble putting on weight and find im not hungry all time and have to force feed??:-(

Have you thought of using a weight gainer shake?

[sms]

I am 189ib 5'10 28yrs I have just ordered 4kgs of BSC mass gainer I am usually on weight gainer all time due to fast metabolism, when I started cycle I was using more letro and have dropped it since to 0.2mg to EOD I know lotro is very powerfull stuff I am thinking of only taking it 2-3 times wk at 0.2mg a wk as I have no fluid retention at all?? maybe this will help ??
I used liqudex at 0.5mg ED about 8months ago on a mild cylce, of boldenone 100mg wk and deca150mg and test prop at 1/4 of the doeses I am taking now I and put on more weight and am eatting mch same so ??

Please help guys

[rock75]

morning on wake up protein sheake with 2cups skim milk, them bowl oats,
mid morning tin of tuna 100g , protein shake 2 cups skim milk,
lunch cup pasta, with veal, or 1 rump steak with vegetables and 1 cup rice
mid afternoon, protein bar, tin of tuna 100g,
post work out 2 slices raisen toast,
after workout- protein shake with 2cup skim milk and 3 BCAA capsules
dinner- chicken stir fry with half cup rice and half cup steamed veg 400g chicken breast

thats a standard day

I do have alot of trouble putting on weight and find im not hungry all time and have to force feed??:-(

that would be a good cutting diet. If you want to gain I would add more low gi carbs - sweet potatoes, oats - carbs that take longer to digest. definitly need to eat more bro, pretty much dbl everything you have above for starters. or add 1 tblspoon of olive oil to your meals for increase calories

[sms]

thanks for the help guys

[godkilla]

have you been adjusting your cals to compensate for gains? more muscles=need more food. i pretty much ramp my cals up all the way to pct where they stay up there until its all over.

[sms]

godkilla,

No I have just been tryin to eat as much as possible but have to force feed and maybe I should up my calories a bit as am hard gainer and not worry about eating so clean!

[jon77]

morning on wake up protein sheake with 2cups skim milk, them bowl oats,
mid morning tin of tuna 100g , protein shake 2 cups skim milk,
lunch cup pasta, with veal, or 1 rump steak with vegetables and 1 cup rice
mid afternoon, protein bar, tin of tuna 100g,
post work out 2 slices raisen toast,
after workout- protein shake with 2cup skim milk and 3 BCAA capsules
dinner- chicken stir fry with half cup rice and half cup steamed veg 400g chicken breast

Add up your numbers for this meal plan and post results. I think you'll be surprised. Also, I noticed your sus dose is lower than your deca dose. IMO, deca should be lower than sus dose.

[S431M7]

have been using deca 600mg pr wk and sus250 at 500mg pr wk for 7weeks, and Letro at 0.5 ml for first 4 wks and have since dropped down to 0.02 mg EOD, dostinex at 1mg pr wk to cover prolactin levels but have since dropped down to 0.5mg pr wk as was effecting my appetite.

I watch my diet and have been eating and regualr protein shakes as am a hard gainer! I have a become very lean no water retention and hard but my weight has remained the same ! I know I have loss some body fat and am leaner but am wondering why im not blowing out?? I have very small gyno lump in right pec and have been uising Letro to make sure this doesn't get worse but am not packing on the pounds on the scales?? shld I be using even less letro ?? is this effecting my gains?? or am I not using enough Testosterone with the Deca should I increase the ammount of test im using??

please help guys advice appreciated!

Okay since you claim your diet is right, then perhaps you re not putting enough effort into your workour practice. You need to workout a little more than average at least four to five days a week.

[Johny-too-small]

Okay since you claim your diet is right, then perhaps you re not putting enough effort into your workour practice. You need to workout a little more than average at least four to five days a week.

Why?

[Second2None]

souce check your gear and post it in the pics fourm to see if anyone has any info on it
start there

[sms]

have sourced checked with another memebr who has used same 20ml satchels and I have had blood test with GP and my balls are size raisens so am guess its ok

[briancb1]

why are fat people fat? your not eating enough, that simple. Go get some slop food, like double cheese burgers and see what happens.

[S431M7]

Why?

good diet with no proper workout technique would not take u anyway to your gaol. If u want to put on massive gain u need to workout a little harder with much attention focus on higher weights and less reps ...and NOT light weights and higher reps. do u get it?

[XNathan]

Iam hardgainer my metabolism si fast. So for me is now maintenance 3500kcal and to gain more I need more calories. From clean sources thats torture.. so I use chocolate bars thru day and can hit 4500+ some times 6000kcal than I build muscle.. yes Iam bloated from sugar, but if I stay lean and ripped I will not grow.

Its not the best for your health on long run but for short run with reason its good idea for hardgainers with higher weight.

[briancb1]

Iam hardgainer my metabolism si fast. So for me is now maintenance 3500kcal and to gain more I need more calories. From clean sources thats torture.. so I use chocolate bars thru day and can hit 4500+ some times 6000kcal than I build muscle.. yes Iam bloated from sugar, but if I stay lean and ripped I will not grow.

Its not the best for your health on long run but for short run with reason its good idea for hardgainers with higher weight.

Get some slop food that at least has SOME nutrience... a chocolate bar has how much protein and amino acids? Just a bunch of dairy and white sugar.

Get some slop food that has red meat in it, like a tri-tip sandwich from a local diner or something, they will prolly have an easy 700 cals.

Also try waking up in the middle of the night and get something to eat. Like a tuna sandwich or something...

[jon77]

Iam hardgainer my metabolism si fast. So for me is now maintenance 3500kcal and to gain more I need more calories. From clean sources thats torture.. so I use chocolate bars thru day and can hit 4500+ some times 6000kcal than I build muscle.. yes Iam bloated from sugar, but if I stay lean and ripped I will not grow.

Its not the best for your health on long run but for short run with reason its good idea for hargainers with higher weight.

Not sure I understand this term.....

[jojo2002]

good diet with no proper workout technique would not take u anyway to your gaol. If u want to put on massive gain u need to workout a little harder with much attention focus on higher weights and less reps ...and NOT light weights and higher reps. do u get it?

i agree... you need to shock the muscle now and than.... you also have three compound movements dont have the names for it you need to work out the muscles in at least 3 different angles.... and heavy to gain...

[Johny-too-small]

good diet with no proper workout technique would not take u anyway to your gaol. If u want to put on massive gain u need to workout a little harder with much attention focus on higher weights and less reps ...and NOT light weights and higher reps. do u get it?

Yeah bro I get it. However, you said, "You need to workout a little more than average at least four to five days a week." Thats b.s. You dont grow more by going to the gym more. Do u get it?

[bor]

morning on wake up protein sheake with 2cups skim milk, them bowl oats,

GOOD, ADD ANOTHER SCOOP PROTEIN

mid morning tin of tuna 100g , protein shake 2 cups skim milk,

ADD CARBS, SOMETHING YOU LIKE, MAYBE ADD MAYO AND BREAD AND MAKE A TUNA SANDWICH SINCE YOU DON'T GET FAT

lunch cup pasta, with veal, or 1 rump steak with vegetables and 1 cup rice

GOOD

mid afternoon, protein bar, tin of tuna 100g,

GOOD

post work out 2 slices raisen toast,
after workout- protein shake with 2cup skim milk and 3 BCAA capsules

DROP ALL THIS AND HAVE A PROTEIN DEXTROSE SHAKE, 1 SCOOP PROTEIN, 1 SCOOP DEX

dinner- chicken stir fry with half cup rice and half cup steamed veg 400g chicken breast

GOOD

thats a standard day

I do have alot of trouble putting on weight and find im not hungry all time and have to force feed??:-(

CAPS

A couple of tweaks, but it doesn't sound that bad, scept the pwo, which was nowhere near enough if bulking

[bor]

have you been adjusting your cals to compensate for gains? more muscles=need more food. i pretty much ramp my cals up all the way to pct where they stay up there until its all over.

very good point

[J*U*icEd]

bro your definatly not eating enough... my maintaining is almost twice that.... and what the hell is wit the skim milk... and tuna... eat some fats try whole milk and steaks... eat some chinese food... get some pizza... eat lots of carbs and up ur fats... eat eat eat eat... that is you problem

[Big]

Yeah bro I get it. However, you said, "You need to workout a little more than average at least four to five days a week." Thats b.s. You dont grow more by going to the gym more. Do u get it?

second this, you don't grow from overtraining.

[godkilla]

Okay since you claim your diet is right, then perhaps you re not putting enough effort into your workour practice. You need to workout a little more than average at least four to five days a week.

or maybe he just needs some wendys and pizza hut

[rabidsquirrel]

second this, you don't grow from overtraining.

i agree with you and johnny, but i dont think hitten the gym 4-5 times a week is overtraining.

[Big]

i agree with you and johnny, but i dont think hitten the gym 4-5 times a week is overtraining.

yeah but he says "at least" 4-5 times a week, where I would say at most 4-5 times, even with a perfect split. everyone is different, but that would be too much for the way my body responds.

[rabidsquirrel]

yeah but he says "at least" 4-5 times a week, where I would say at most 4-5 times, even with a perfect split. everyone is different, but that would be too much for the way my body responds.

not to jack his thread but, i was worndering if you would tell me your split. just courious, like to here about what the big dawgs do.

[Big]

not to jack his thread but, i was worndering if you would tell me your split. just courious, like to here about what the big dawgs do.

mine changes every week, I like to keep things fresh and not fall into a stagnate routine.

[rabidsquirrel]

mine does that two. i cant stay a mon -chest tues-bis, and so on rutine.

[Second2None]

this is a shot in the dark, but i think your cycle is backwardz and it is screwing you up, your only doin 500mg a week of sust. to me which is a complete waste due to sust is to shot esters and 2 long so right there 1/2 that dose is thrown in the garbage cause 2 shots a week dont work for short esters, then your at 600mg a week on deca your nat test is down way down, thats why you force feed to eat, i bet you force to train also, you say u feel your nuts shrinking so its got to be workin, its not the sust. workin its the deca takin your natural test imo.which i think is takin your drive. my rule of thumb with sust is what ever you use with deca double that in test example being 300deca/600test. i like to run sust. like this 1 250mg shot a day for 3 weeks then 1000mg aweek for 7 more weeks with what ever im stacking it with. its heavy but your are getting the full amount out of the short esters and frontloading for the long esters, oh and get some vials man cause i always here things about those sachets

[Second2None]

bump ???