Dont Know What To Do...help

**Ironarms** · 08-23-2007, 02:14 PM

ok so heres my story...i am 26 yrs old and have been using anabolics for about 3 years now and i have always done my research, used hcg coming off cycles followed by clomid and always included an anti estrogen.

i got a blood test from the doc the other day and im messed up and it got me nervous and i don not knwo what to do to correct it and do not know who ti listen to either

total test is 10...should be 300-400
free test is .02 should be above 1
hdl is a 9....should be a 40
liver enzymes is a 90...should be a 40
my regular cholesterol is low as well

my doc says to take nothing and let everything come back naturally

then i hear i should take hcg again with niacin no flush along with an anti

I MEAN WHAT DO I DO AND WHO SHOULD I LISTEN TO....and u know obviouslly i am itching ot go back on

**longhorn814** · 08-23-2007, 02:29 PM

what was your last cycle and when did you come off? Have you been taking adequate time off between cycles as well?

**longhorn814** · 08-23-2007, 02:29 PM

what was your last cycle and when did you come off? Have you been taking adequate time off between cycles as well?

**Ironarms** · 08-23-2007, 02:36 PM

yes i have alwasy foloowed time on is time off

last cycle was this
1-8 prop 100 mg ed
1-8 tren 100 mg ed
4-8 100 mg winni ed
4-8 100 mg masteron
last 10 days of cycle i did 250 iu of hcg ed
1-pct aromasin ed
pct 24 hrs after last shot 300/100/50

been off for 8 weeks

**Kratos** · 08-23-2007, 02:41 PM

is that 300mg of aromasin ? that's like 12x the script dose.

**Kratos** · 08-23-2007, 02:42 PM

never mind, I'm guessing clomid

**longhorn814** · 08-23-2007, 02:43 PM

been done with PCT for 8 weeks or been off steroids for 8 weeks? Yup that cycle will definitely do that to your values. Tren will shut you down the hardest. If you run tren or any nor, I suggest running HCG throughout the cycle..works for me. Winny is what murdered your cholesterol and liver values too. You need to get those values back to normal before you start again. Get some red yeast rice, niacin, fish oils for you cholesterol and some Liv 52 for your liver..you could run some HCG or nolva if you want or look into some natural test boosters like trib

**gixxerboy1** · 08-23-2007, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Kratos

never mind, I'm guessing clomid

I was just about to say that's the dosing for clomid

**pr0digy9daniel** · 08-23-2007, 02:44 PM

Dont listen to your doctor, he doesnt know what hes talkin about...

**longhorn814** · 08-23-2007, 02:46 PM

do you know what the rest of your values were for, estradio, progesterone, FSH? You could have too much estrogen floating around and could use an AI to lower that

**Merc..** · 08-23-2007, 02:54 PM

You could run another pct !!!!!!

Yes tren is very suppressive and can effect HPTA for a long time...

Did you see my blood work sticky ?? It might help just to give you some feedback on different values....

Also can try look into hawthorn berry

Merc.

**Merc..** · 08-23-2007, 03:00 PM

Here is a link to my bloodwork sticky just in case you didnt see it..

ALL you need to know about bloodwork

Again just wanted to point it out just to give you some info on bloodwork..

Hope it helps..

Merc.

**Ironarms** · 08-23-2007, 03:02 PM

i was thinking of running another pct with hcg and clomid..if i did that would i run it together or do the hcg for 10 days and then folow 300/100/50

or

should i just get trib and add these products in:

Red Yeast Rice 1200 mg
Silymarin (milk thistle extract) 1000 mg
NAC 1200 mg
Hawthorn Berry 1000 mg
Saw Palmetto 300 mg
Policosonol 20 mg
Celery Seed Extract 150 mg
Nettle Root 250 mg
Idebenone 100 mg

do i listen to my doc or no?

**Stock** · 08-23-2007, 03:27 PM

I'm just throwing this out there, but if the clomid didnt do the job, you might want to try Nolvadex instead. Your body might respond to it better fro some reason.

**Merc..** · 08-23-2007, 03:33 PM

First off we are not here to go over any doctors head... It is always best to listen to your doc.. You can always get different opinions .. We can only give our suggestions but its up to you in the end...

Ok trib can raise estrogen and be problematic.. Please see the last post towards the end where we start discussing trib..

COUPLE questions for you fellas

Also you say another pct with clomid and hcg .. Keep in mind that HCG is suppressive ( on 17- OHP) and needs to be used in conjunction with nolva ( its much more effective ) not clomid....

So when used in conjunction with nolva HCG is not suppressive ( the suppressive nature pretty much blocked by the nolva).. If you ran only hcg and clomid for you pct that could be the reason your recovery is slow...

I would say you could run another pct ( i like hookers protocol , please click the link below in my signature).. And see if it helps but again its up to you in the end ....

Merc.

**Stock** · 08-23-2007, 03:36 PM

Good call Merc. I knew I read somewhere that HCG + Nolva works better, but I couldnt remember where and why.

**Merc..** · 08-23-2007, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Stock

Good call Merc. I knew I read somewhere that HCG + Nolva works better, but I couldnt remember where and why.

Thanks Stock,

Yea alot of people dont realize that hcg has a supprissve nature. As hcg blockes the conversion of 17 ohp to testosterone and nolva helps to stop this from occuring..

Merc.