bulking in oct. what do you think

[rabidsquirrel]

i have been kicking this one around for a few month and this is what i have decide. what do you think

dbol 50mg ed 1-5
test e or c 300mg 1-16
deca 300 mg 2x week 1-14
winny 50ed 16-18
ifg 100mcg split 3x week 1-4, 9-12
hcg 500iu once week 17-18

pct

hcg 500iu ed week 19-23
nolv 20mg ed week 19-23
aromsin 25 ed week 19-23
igf 100mg split week 19-23

* i will be runninh gh frag starting mon till i run out
** i will be runninh hgh at 3iu ed about a month before, then 4-5iu ed durring and after probably 6 months total maybe longer. depense on money
*** thinking about running igf month before cycle also
**** may use a-dex couple week in cycle just depense on if i need it
***** also may run test 3 weeks after deca just to make sure all deca is out

well i think i have this set up right, advice is welcome. thanks

also think i should have letro on hand incase of gyno with hcg? i have never used hcg, and dont have a problem with gyno.

[rabidsquirrel]

damn no thoughts, is it that bad

[Merc..]

i have been kicking this one around for a few month and this is what i have decide. what do you think

dbol 50mg ed 1-5
test e or c 250-300mg e3d 1-16
deca 300 mg 1-14
ifg 100mcg split 3x week 1-4, 9-12
hcg 500iu once week 17-18

pct

hcg 500iu eod week 19-23
nolv 20mg ed week 19-23
aromsin 25 ed week 19-23


* i will be runninh gh frag starting mon till i run out
** i will be runninh hgh at 3iu ed about a month before, then 4-5iu ed durring and after probably 6 months total maybe longer. depense on money
*** thinking about running igf month before cycle also
**** may use a-dex couple week in cycle just depense on if i need it
***** also may run test 3 weeks after deca just to make sure all deca is out

well i think i have this set up right, advice is welcome. thanks

also think i should have letro on hand incase of gyno with hcg? i have never used hcg, and dont have a problem with gyno.

This just my quick opinion

I would only go 4 wks on the dbol

Do 2 injects of test e or cyp per week ( one mon and one thurs)

OK

Why EOD on the HCG for pct and not ED ???

Not sure what you mean should you have letro on hand in case of gyno from the HCG ?? Do you mean for pct ?? Thats when your using HCG right ?? Well if you mean for PCT you will not need letro . Any estrogen thats engendered by HCG is going to be stopped by the aromasin.. And the suppressive nature of HCG will be blocked by the nolva...

Also running the test 2 wks long than the deca should suffice...

Merc.

[naturalsux]

wheres the tren?

[cookiemonstR]

up your test and deca, and only do 2 shots a week of them, cut the dbol to 4 weeks

[taiboxa]

This just my quick opinion

I would only go 4 wks on the dbol

Merc.

oh let the lil feller go 5wks .. he'd enjoy it.

i dont understand reasoning behind GH? if its for fatloss purposes ur in the right track.. if ur trying to increase LBM and stim cell growth u really wanna up it to like 12iu ED for bout 3-4 months. hard and heavy is a much more effective way to run GH than long and low if ur goin for muscle growth.. but for fat loss and theraputic purposes 4-8 is ideal for lengthy periods of time.

also w/ the IGF i would run it ED.. 100-120mcg ED is sweet spot i like a 60/60 split. 60mcg pre work out (love the pumps it gives) and then 60pwo with ur GH.

i would also lower ur test to bout 300mg/wk and up the deca as well as add a dht at the end .. even if it is a low dose just for the shbg effects. i think masteron or low dose of drol would be ideal for the last 3-4weeks of the cycle right up to pct.

[rabidsquirrel]

wheres the tren?

no mre tren for me. well maybe next summer. that stuff shut me down hard, kind of scared me.

for anyone that was reading my thread on having a bad pct, im back baby and feel great.

[rabidsquirrel]

oh let the lil feller go 5wks .. he'd enjoy it.

i dont understand reasoning behind GH? if its for fatloss purposes ur in the right track.. if ur trying to increase LBM and stim cell growth u really wanna up it to like 12iu ED for bout 3-4 months. hard and heavy is a much more effective way to run GH than long and low if ur goin for muscle growth.. but for fat loss and theraputic purposes 4-8 is ideal for lengthy periods of time.

also w/ the IGF i would run it ED.. 100-120mcg ED is sweet spot i like a 60/60 split. 60mcg pre work out (love the pumps it gives) and then 60pwo with ur GH.

i would also lower ur test to bout 300mg/wk and up the deca as well as add a dht at the end .. even if it is a low dose just for the shbg effects. i think masteron or low dose of drol would be ideal for the last 3-4weeks of the cycle right up to pct.

yeah i love dbol,it one of my favs.

i will consider the gh at high dose but that may kill the check book.

so ed with the igf, i was planning that at first but was talk out of it after read alot of threads. but i will listen to u tai, cause i know u know your shit.

i also was gonna read test at 300mg a week at first but everyone talked me out of that to. test gives me bad side like acne.

how about winny at the end i have it on hand.

[Merc..]

If going for something at the end ( like tia said) winny also has a great effect on SHBG so could be used ..


Merc.

[rabidsquirrel]

so only like 3 weeks of winny then. i run it two weeks past test right.

[rabidsquirrel]

also im having people tell me hcg every week or to during cycle and not during pct.

[Merc..]

so only like 3 weeks of winny then. i run it two weeks past test right.

The way Tia is saying is to use the DHT based compound for the last 3-4 weeks ..

Winny doesnt have to be ran longer than the test . Run it right up to PCT...



Merc.

[Merc..]

also im having people tell me hcg every week or to during cycle and not during pct.

There are many diffrent veiws on this..

I like Hookers pct the best..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758


The reason people dont like HCG for PCT is because its supperessive nature ( on 17 OHP) But when used in conjuction with nolva the suppressive nature is blocked ...

Merc.

[bor]

Why the winny at the end guys? And would it work at the end of a prop cycle?

[Merc..]

Why the winny at the end guys? And would it work at the end of a prop cycle?

Tia was just suggesting adding a DHT based compound at the end to help with SHBG .. He actually suggest masteron but rabid squirrel said he had winny on hand .

Winny is also DHT based so it would help. I like masteron better if I was to run a DHT at the end like Tia suggested ..

Sure you can run winny, masteron at the end of a prop cycle... Test is test when it comes to that aspect ..


Merc.

[rabidsquirrel]

so should i order mast. or is winny good. confused at this point. please help

[Merc..]

I like mast but its up to you in the end...

they are both DHT based and help SHBG .

Heres a link to the mast profile if you havent seen it ..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199836


Merc.

[bor]

Yes, but why yoould you use either and what would it achieve?

[Merc..]

Yes, but why yoould you use either and what would it achieve?

It would essentially have a effect on SHGB and in turn would increase the amount of free test circulating in your body..

A DHT based compound at the end can be a good hardener...

Merc.

[Kratos]

That's a nice cycle...for me to poop on.
More deca for bulking. Save the IGF for pct

[bor]

It would essentially have a effect on SHGB and in turn would increase the amount of free test circulating in your body..

A DHT based compound at the end can be a good hardener...

Merc.

So basically proviron would do the same thing?

[rabidsquirrel]

That's a nice cycle...for me to poop on.
More deca for bulking. Save the IGF for pct

even tai said more deca. 600 a week is not enough. how much do you think i need. i did edit the cycle a day or so ago and put igf for pct. it was part of my plan just forgot to type it in there.


edit- sorry kratos forgot to put the deca 2x a week in.

[rabidsquirrel]

There are many diffrent veiws on this..

I like Hookers pct the best..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758


The reason people dont like HCG for PCT is because its supperessive nature ( on 17 OHP) But when used in conjuction with nolva the suppressive nature is blocked ...

Merc.

thanks great read, surprised i never saw it before.

[rabidsquirrel]

ok made some changes to the cycle

[rabidsquirrel]

I like mast but its up to you in the end...

they are both DHT based and help SHBG .

Heres a link to the mast profile if you havent seen it ..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199836


Merc.

just read about mast sound like great stuff, but i dont like im injection that often. thats for the read

[taiboxa]

just read about mast sound like great stuff, but i dont like im injection that often. thats for the read

theres enanthate esters too for it

[sitries]

why is 6oomg of deca not enough????? its more than enough! if you cant grow on that then your not training properly and your not eating enough. i really dont know why ppl use such high dosages - it just increases the side effects and is pointless!!!

[Merc..]

why is 6oomg of deca not enough????? its more than enough! if you cant grow on that then your not training properly and your not eating enough. i really dont know why ppl use such high dosages - it just increases the side effects and is pointless!!!

I think it just got very confusing . He went back and changed his dose on the first post of this thread .. He originally said 300 mg per week of deca and that's what peeps where referring to..

Sorry for the confusion..


Merc.

[rabidsquirrel]

theres enanthate esters too for it

oh i didnt get that far a guess. as soon as i saw inject eod i close it up. thats ill go give that a look then. will it just be called mast e or something like that

[rabidsquirrel]

I think it just got very confusing . He went back and changed his dose on the first post of this thread .. He originally said 300 mg per week of deca and that's what peeps where referring to..

Sorry for the confusion..


Merc.

yeah my bad i change my post to fix the mistake.

[naturalsux]

oh i didnt get that far a guess. as soon as i saw inject eod i close it up. thats ill go give that a look then. will it just be called mast e or something like that

yes mast e.