Tip for cycle that keeps the weight

[Johanpalmgren667]

Earlier i have been on susta, anadrol, deca and some propionate. I have made real gains, but even if i work out really hard and eat well, i loose all weight after my pct...any tip of a cycle i can take that let me keep the pounds??
Have a few anadrol pills left....

[Amorphic]

you wont keep any gains on anadrol, thats for sure. Eq and anavar are mild and are known for quality albeit small muscle gains. Any heavy aromatising steroid, anadrol, dbol etc are known for mostly water retention and a loss of some amount of the gains.

If you're losing all your gains after pct, something is seriously wrong, whether it is diet or the actual pct itself, i suggest you post your pct and diet so we can see.

[taiboxa]

its your diet during and after pct that dictates gain retention.

[Johanpalmgren667]

Okey, what about deca, 500 a week for 10 weeks?
Since i got a little gyno, i took letro during the tree weeks i took anadrol, and took it some time during the testo cycles.
Otherwise i have the sam pct each time:
300 clomid for 3 day, than 100 clomid for 3.5 weeks.
40 nolva for two weeks, than 20 mg for two weeks.

Considering the diet, i eat a lot of protein, carbs and gainer, but still looses the weight..feels strange to throw away many hundered dollars and than lose all of it.

What is eq?
thanks

[Prada]

EQ=Equipoise

As stated by Tai, nutrition and PCT will determine what you salvage. Obviously substance that lead to edema will result in weight loss after cycle.

[Johanpalmgren667]

How much anavar or primobolan do you suggest?
What is HPTA?
What is the best cycle to be sure for long term gains´? I am thinking about deca for 10 weeks, and for the first 2 weeks, take some anadrol?

[J-41-sd]

If you can afford anavar or primo then do that but if not clen will keep you anabolic post cycle and help keep gains, not as potent as either anavar or primo but it will suffice if necessary, it might also be wise to do a bit more research into such matters as well. good luck.

[Atomini]

clen will keep you anabolic post cycle and help keep gains, not as potent as either anavar or primo but it will suffice if necessary

Waste of money.

The parroting of this stuff about clen being a good anabolic/anti-catabolic has got to stop. It's just not true. The studies that have shown that Clen is anti-catabolic has shown that it takes AT LEAST SIX WEEKS for this effect to show... and even when it does show, it's extremely minimal. All adding Clen into your PCT will do is make your wallet lighter.

[taiboxa]

Waste of money.

The parroting of this stuff about clen being a good anabolic/anti-catabolic has got to stop. It's just not true. The studies that have shown that Clen is anti-catabolic has shown that it takes AT LEAST SIX WEEKS for this effect to show... and even when it does show, it's extremely minimal. All adding Clen into your PCT will do is make your wallet lighter.

i concur.

[mario_ps2]

The HPTA(Hypothalmic-Pituitary-Testicular Axis) is the system that governs the body's endogenous testosterone production. This system SHUTS DOWN when we run a full steroid cycle, so this is why we run PCT(Post Cycle Therapy) after the cycle is complete; in an attempt to fully restore HPTA function, so that testosterone levels can once again reach normal values.

I suggest aministering 20-40mgs of Anavar every day or 200mgs of Primobolan per week, right after your cycle ends for 8 weeks therafter. Then, when after you have run Anavar or Primobolan for 6-8 weeks, start your full PCT. At this point, your HPTA will already have started to recover and the Anavar or Primobolan will keep you anabolic until you start your PCT.

This technique really solidifies gains.

Interesting!!!!

Will this work for small/heavy cycles?

[Johanpalmgren667]

Okey..thanks a lot big boss...what cycle do you recommend?
As i said, deca is on my mind since i have had som gyno problems...
Would this be good?
For how long, and what doses?
What cycle do you use to keep your gains?

[Johanpalmgren667]

anyone?

[Markosterone]

post your cycles as you ran them, and your pct.

Pre-PCT: Active Recovery

DO NOT GO DIRECTLY INTO PCT!

The concept of "PCT" was formulated WITHOUT the knowledge that partial HPTA recovery CAN occur while on CERTAIN steroids!

At the end of your cycle's duration, you are COMPLETELY SHUTDOWN. Your hormonal environment is NOT conducive for muscle growth or maintenance. Going directly into PCT from this state is BEGGING for a huge loss of GAINS!

PCT seeks to RESTORE HORMONAL BALANCE as quickly and as effectively as possible, BUT THIS IMPOSSIBLE! PCT IS NOT MAGIC! Full and complete HPTA recovery is a longer process than most people understand. SERM's and AI's are only marginally effective. How many COUNTLESS individuals have LOST a large percentage of their gains during and after PCT? WAY TOO MANY!

Rather than going DIRECTLY into PCT, we utilize a "Pre-PCT" or a period of "Active Recovery".

Pre-PCT: PRE-PCT allows the HPTA to begin LH/FSH output, while still receiving additional anabolic support. This is the peroid of time where we utilize a NON-inhibitory steroid while the endogenous testosterone level begins to recover. This occurs PRIOR TO FULL PCT, so that by the time we begin full PCT the HPTA has already began recovering.

Active RECOVERY: The HPTA BEGINS to restore endogenous testosterone production once it detects the body's androgen level beginning to decline(end of cycle).

Therefore, HPTA CAN BEGIN TO RECOVER WHILE STILL IN AN ANABOLIC STATE!


The following drugs can be used during Active Recovery:

Anavar/Proviron= 40mgs/25mgs
Anavar/Masteron= 40mgs/300mgs
Primobolan/Masteron= 300mgs/300mgs
Turinabol/Proviron= 40mgs/25mgs
Turinabol/Masteron= 40mgs/300mgs
Winstrol/Masteron= 50mgs/300mgs
Dianabol/Proviron= 15mgs/25mgs
Dianabol/Masteron= 15mgs/300mgs


Examples...


In a SHORT CYCLE:

Weeks 1-4: Testosterone Propionate, 100mgs ED
Weeks 1-4: Dianabol, 50mgs ED
Weeks 1-4: NPP, 400mgs
Weeks 4-8: **PRE-PCT(ACTIVE RECOVERY)**
Weeks 8-?: **POST CYCLE THERAPY**


A Standard Cycle:

Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 30mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Enanthate, 500mgs
Weeks 8-12: Winstrol, 100mgs ED
Weeks 12-16: **PRE-PCT(ACTIVE RECOVERY) **


thanks to supreme sports for this post.

[Big]

Okey..thanks a lot big boss...what cycle do you recommend?
As i said, deca is on my mind since i have had som gyno problems...
Would this be good?
For how long, and what doses?
What cycle do you use to keep your gains?

the specific cycle itself does not dictate whether or not you keep your gains, your pct and diet does, as stated above. You were asked about your diet, but gave a very general description which would be impossible to critique.

[Johanpalmgren667]

okey..these are all cycles i've been on:

Deca durabolin:
300 mg a week, 6 weeks.
Than direct after the deca, testo prpionate 400 for 3 weeks.


Anadrol 50 mg/day for 3 days, than 100 mg for 18 days
During this cycle, 250 susta each week, and 250 more each week for 3 more weeks after the cycle.


You wrote that i should take 300 primobolan, that must be a week, right?
And anavar is 20-40 a day?

thanks

[pr0digy9daniel]

Personally, I would just cut out that and do deca/test on its own, and sort out my PCT... You need to look into getting some hCG, consider some AI like aromasin or letro, and plan it out better. If your not keeping gains, its your PCT and diet during and after PCT like others have said. If you need too, ask your doctor for a blood test/hormone panel during PCT just to figure out whats going on.... There are also some very good stickies on PCT, and in the PCT forum, so I suggest you look there...

[Markosterone]

man all your cycles are shitty planned out. the deca cycle only gave you water probably so thats why you lost the weight.

try hitting test E for 12 weeks, and maybe some winny the last 4-6 weeks and see what you can make out of that, but first you need your PCT all planned put and your diet worked out as well.

GL & HF

[Johanpalmgren667]

I know, about the deca, i was affraid of the side affects since it wad the first tiume i tried it..the propionate was going to be taken for 6 weeks, but i couldnt walk or train with it and i got a inflammation in on of the buttocks...
Okey..does that testo gives me "pain in the as", litturaly speaken...

[taiboxa]

man all your cycles are shitty planned out. the deca cycle only gave you water probably so thats why you lost the weight.

try hitting test E for 12 weeks, and maybe some winny the last 4-6 weeks and see what you can make out of that, but first you need your PCT all planned put and your diet worked out as well.

GL & HF

deca doesnt give ONLY water lol

[longhorn814]

post your cycles as you ran them, and your pct.

Pre-PCT: Active Recovery

DO NOT GO DIRECTLY INTO PCT!

The concept of "PCT" was formulated WITHOUT the knowledge that partial HPTA recovery CAN occur while on CERTAIN steroids!

At the end of your cycle's duration, you are COMPLETELY SHUTDOWN. Your hormonal environment is NOT conducive for muscle growth or maintenance. Going directly into PCT from this state is BEGGING for a huge loss of GAINS!

PCT seeks to RESTORE HORMONAL BALANCE as quickly and as effectively as possible, BUT THIS IMPOSSIBLE! PCT IS NOT MAGIC! Full and complete HPTA recovery is a longer process than most people understand. SERM's and AI's are only marginally effective. How many COUNTLESS individuals have LOST a large percentage of their gains during and after PCT? WAY TOO MANY!

Rather than going DIRECTLY into PCT, we utilize a "Pre-PCT" or a period of "Active Recovery".

Pre-PCT: PRE-PCT allows the HPTA to begin LH/FSH output, while still receiving additional anabolic support. This is the peroid of time where we utilize a NON-inhibitory steroid while the endogenous testosterone level begins to recover. This occurs PRIOR TO FULL PCT, so that by the time we begin full PCT the HPTA has already began recovering.

Active RECOVERY: The HPTA BEGINS to restore endogenous testosterone production once it detects the body's androgen level beginning to decline(end of cycle).

Therefore, HPTA CAN BEGIN TO RECOVER WHILE STILL IN AN ANABOLIC STATE!


The following drugs can be used during Active Recovery:

Anavar/Proviron= 40mgs/25mgs
Anavar/Masteron= 40mgs/300mgs
Primobolan/Masteron= 300mgs/300mgs
Turinabol/Proviron= 40mgs/25mgs
Turinabol/Masteron= 40mgs/300mgs
Winstrol/Masteron= 50mgs/300mgs
Dianabol/Proviron= 15mgs/25mgs
Dianabol/Masteron= 15mgs/300mgs


Examples...


In a SHORT CYCLE:

Weeks 1-4: Testosterone Propionate, 100mgs ED
Weeks 1-4: Dianabol, 50mgs ED
Weeks 1-4: NPP, 400mgs
Weeks 4-8: **PRE-PCT(ACTIVE RECOVERY)**
Weeks 8-?: **POST CYCLE THERAPY**


A Standard Cycle:

Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 30mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Enanthate, 500mgs
Weeks 8-12: Winstrol, 100mgs ED
Weeks 12-16: **PRE-PCT(ACTIVE RECOVERY) **


thanks to supreme sports for this post.

Does this remind anybody else of ROSS???

[taiboxa]

Does this remind anybody else of ROSS???

yeah i was thinking that.. i just ignore him now.. aint even worth the time to post about.

[Stock]

deca doesnt give ONLY water lol

True, but he only used it for 6 weeksand no test during. So, IMO, 80-90% was just water weight.

BTW Johan, whoever told you those were good cycles, doesnt know anything about running gear.

[Markosterone]

deca doesnt give ONLY water lol

I know this, but its one of the compunds that gives more water then others... but still, everyone doesn't react the same on every compound...

why I said its water is becouse the dude ran a deca only cycle, and from what ive seen people do the same thing, they usualy loose most of the weight gain (water)...


And who is ROSS ? care to help us others out ? is it all bullshit about the "active recovery" or what ?

//M

[getpaid]

I think tai was being sarcastic, which is why there was LOL at the end of his sentence!!

[PEWN]

this thread is giving me a good laugh.... i love reading what some of you post..

[taiboxa]

I think tai was being sarcastic, which is why there was LOL at the end of his sentence!!

no, the lol there is because even though deca does produce bloat and an increase in synovial fluid.. it generated far more lbm gains than test ever would.
i have ran deca alone and test alone.. and the deca by its self is far more effective for producing anabolism and lbm gains than test.

as for losing weight after a deca only cycle this is because those who are uneducated enough to run a deca cycle MORE OFTEN then not are not capable of compiling a proper pct, let alone a proper diet.

but in all honesty i'd take a deca only cycle over a test only cycle any day.. sex is over rated.

[getpaid]

Yeah I misread, thought you said Deca ONLY gives you water weight!! My bad..

[taiboxa]

this thread is giving me a good laugh.... i love reading what some of you post..

no need to lie, u kan admit it.. you learned alot from this thread.

[crazyhorse666]

FOOD! before during and after the cycle.Dont quit eating and lifting just cause your cycle is done. maby you should try somthing diffrent with your pct

[Johny-too-small]

OFF TOPIC:

I hate threads like this. When the poster refuses to listen to sound quality advice and we cant flame his ass till sunday or I'll get suspended. Some people just need to be taken behind the wood shed and beaten for a while.

ON TOPIC:

Johanpalmgren667, EAT BRO!

[Markosterone]

OFF TOPIC:

I hate threads like this. When the poster refuses to listen to sound quality advice and we cant flame his ass till sunday or I'll get suspended. Some people just need to be taken behind the wood shed and beaten for a while.

ON TOPIC:

Johanpalmgren667, EAT BRO!

this is probably the best post in this thread