Mid Cycle Question

**JackBauer** · 09-03-2007, 07:02 PM

Alright, maybe im a little paranoid but considering the outcoming of my first attempt at a cycle i think i have reason for concern. I waited until my leg healed up and ordered some more gear before starting another cycle ( test E frontloaded). I am aware the first couple times, the injection site will hurt but it has been almost a week. I am almost positive it cant be contaminated because when i got it, i filtered it all into sterile vials and added 2% BA. I have had no symptoms of redness or fever and have completed 2 injections now after the first week which are painful (obviously not as bad as the first). My question is that is it normal for first cycle/first few cycles to have injection pain for over 4-5 days? I am supposed to inject in the morning and I am seriously considering just switching to the prop I have saved up for next cycle in the mean time @ 100mg EOD until i get something else unless i am just paranoid.

Anyones input on this dilemma would be appreciated

**JackBauer** · 09-03-2007, 08:22 PM

bump... is it normal to have pain for a week or should i change to my prop

**Johny-too-small** · 09-03-2007, 08:32 PM

Are you using the same injection site?

**mkrulic** · 09-03-2007, 08:34 PM

did you filter the ba? why are you injecting something youre unsure of?

**JackBauer** · 09-03-2007, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

Are you using the same injection site?

no, one to the quad, one to the right glute

Originally Posted by mkrulic

did you filter the ba? why are you injecting something youre unsure of?

no i did not filter the BA

**Johny-too-small** · 09-03-2007, 08:39 PM

Adding BA causes several issues: more pain at the injection site and you have to inject more gear to get the same dose before you altered it.

I dont understand why you would add BA? If you filter your gear, that should be all you need.

**JackBauer** · 09-03-2007, 08:46 PM

yeah, i understand it may seem unnecessary, i filtered through a .22 too not just a .45 so that should have rendered it sterile but i added 2%BA and let it sit for a week just to be sure.

Originally Posted by mkrulic

did you filter the ba? why are you injecting something youre unsure of?

its not that i bought something off of some website that came with no label and was half full.. the first time i injected from a very reputable company and ended up with a serious infection... this time i just wanted to be sure, and i wouldnt be asking this question if it didnt feel like i had a brick in my right cheek

**mkrulic** · 09-03-2007, 08:48 PM

again, did you filter the ba?

**JackBauer** · 09-03-2007, 09:00 PM

again, no. i did no think this was necessary as you use it to render something sterile.

**mkrulic** · 09-03-2007, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by JackBauer

again, no. i did no think this was necessary as you use it to render something sterile.

need to filter ba. ba does not remove any particles that might be in it. the filter will remove any particles in the ba.
if I were to use it, which I wouldnt, I'd get a new sterile vile and filter, filter mix into new sterile vile

**JackBauer** · 09-03-2007, 10:31 PM

i just ordered some more. thank you for the info mkrulic, i was not aware that you have to filter the BA as well. I tried reading up a considerable amount before filtering and doing so and everyone always mentioned adding the BA afterwards.

**Kratos** · 09-03-2007, 10:36 PM

I doubt your problem is particles introduced from the BA, I really wouldn't bother with a refilter. Probably too much BA if anything is the problem, if not an infection the pain is from trauma. Try ibuprofen @800mg 2x a day and see if that makes it better.

**JackBauer** · 09-03-2007, 10:44 PM

whats up kratos. thanks for the input. i think im just gonna trash it, ive been wantin to get my hands on some of the prop though.. if my inject is due in the morning what is the suggested protocol to hold me off for the next couple of weeks until it gets here? I think it is inevitable but i would like to minimize the bouncing of my test levels

**Kratos** · 09-03-2007, 10:53 PM

couple of weeks is getting outside the active life so unless you do more injections accept the yo-yo action. If it's going to be more than two weeks I would just run an AI and try to recover some of my natural test. You only did two injects right?

**JackBauer** · 09-03-2007, 11:12 PM

yeah well i frontloaded, but i have prop which i can run in the meantime i wasnt sure how to run it though

**Kratos** · 09-03-2007, 11:21 PM

Prop works fine then, just run the same dose. So if you are doing 500mg a week than take 150mg eod prop. You are going to need to run the prop for a few weeks overlaping with Test E even with frontload. On paper you should be able to just frontload Test E and quit prop but real life experience says overlap at least 2 weeks.

**justtrnd40** · 09-04-2007, 05:58 AM

Hey jack, if i had your luck I think I would stick to protein powder and creatine for awhile. I know you had alot of problems with your first injection with the infection and all but that is not common at all. You are still going to experience normal side effects that we all have went through with injection site soreness and things like that especially with prop. It definately doesn't hurt to be overly cautious but try not to stress yourself out so much during your cycle. Good Luck

**mickdiesel** · 09-04-2007, 01:58 PM

theres nothing wrong with his luck he's just being anal. the roblem is u pumped ur shit so full of ba that its hurting a lot now. and switching to prop (of all things) aint gonna help anything. prop always hurts more. just stop messing with ur gear and ull be good. nothing wrong with filtering but no reason to add ba really. good luck