For 1st Cycle, is EQ ok to sub for Test E

[hockeyroom28]

I have been planning on doing a Test E 500mg/week twice a week 12 week cycle. I have been trying to find sources, but have had bad luck. I can get EQ now but not Test E, and have seen it recommended in "noob" cycles and read that is is somewhat comparable to Test.

For a first cycle, is it ok to do EQ instead of Test E? Are the injections basically the same? I planned on Nolva for PCT along with either Aromasin or Letro. Would the PCT be the same?

I'm 5'10 170 lifting 2 1/2+ years, eating between 2300-2700 cal/day with 175+ protein. I workout 5 times a week and want to get bigger but more importantly more cut and ripped. My ideal look would be lean and ripped as opposed to massive/bulk. I can't stress that enough, I don't want to look "too big" since I'm not tall.

Pics are from last month.

I can also get Anavar, and have researched that. I thought it would be perfect for getting ripped/cut, but I haven't heard great reviews about it. Any help is appreciated. Thanks

[james21]

var made me tired by itself... EQ shouldnt be used IN PLACE of test or as a sub. It dosent shut you down as hard like deca/tren in that relation i guess it would compare.

[ricker35910]

i'd start the EQ and keep trying to find test E and run them both together. if you can't find a source in the next couple of days send me a pm and i'll see what i can do.

[hockeyroom28]

thanks for the replies, what exactly will i see in terms of results with EQ only?

[taiboxa]

read more, cycle later.

[snatchgrip]

Wouldnt just EQ without test give you ED?

[taiboxa]

Wouldnt just EQ without test give you ED?

nope eq isnt strong enough to cause complete suppression.

[ricker35910]

how many mg's do you plan on taking per wk and how long do you plan to stay on?

[nyjetsfan86]

eq is nowhere near comparable to test, i just cut eq out of my cycle i didnt care for it too much

[buffgator]

I think you could very easy put on 10lbs of lean muscle over the next year buy upping your protein intake.

[hockeyroom28]

ok so I should just wait until I can find Test E then. Will anavar cut me up alone or would Test do that anyway?

[mkrulic]

i'd start the EQ and keep trying to find test E and run them both together. if you can't find a source in the next couple of days send me a pm and i'll see what i can do.

horible advice. get all your gear up front, that way you know you will have it.

[mkrulic]

do a search on eq only cycles and you will find people who have had ed problems from it. do a search on effectivness of eq and you will find most feel its over hyped. those who like it claim increase in vascularity and appetite. which could have been done thru diet and spices

[hockeyroom28]

OK so I am definitley going to stay away from EQ.

What do you think of Anavar? Am I going to get cut from Test E or should I accept that I am going to get bulky and a little bloated and then cut with diet or something else.

[J*U*icEd]

ive done an EQ and winny only cycle... it was fvcking great... i put on 18 pounds of rock solid muscle mass and kept 14-15 of it... if i were you and you couldn't get the test i would run the EQ for like 12-14 weeks and definatly definatly throw in some anavar in there too for like 6 weeks... i don't think EQ is over-rated, i think its a fvcking great compound... i used to use it as a base as part of everyone of my cycles... if you ran an EQ and anavar only cycle ull pack on about 15+ pounds of solid lean ripped muscle mass, as long as you have ur diet, training, resting, and PCT in order... and ull keep alot of ur gains (90%)... and you know i don't think ull have a problem wit eating cause EQ increases appitite like 5 fold... u know i hate this testosterone only first cycle bullcrap... all of this test this test that, is a bunch of crap, i mean don't get me wrong its a great (the best) base compound and it's the best compound around, but if you can't get it use the EQ ull enjoy it... it doesn't even shut you down half as much as test and neither does the anavar, so PCT should be a breeze... but hey maybe you shouldn't listen to me and listen to all the other parrots in this thread... you look pretty lean in your pics, imagine bein 20 pounds heavier with veins buldging out of ur forearms, arms and shoulders, lifting 4 times what people your own size are lifting, and to top it off being completely shreaded and rock solid... but hey thats just my opinion... happy growing either way my man!

[hockeyroom28]

It sounds like you really think Var and EQ would do the job, but no one has even come close to agreeing with that. I like how it doesn't shut you down all the way, but I plan on doing a PCT regardless so I wasn't too worried about that. Anymore opinions?

[millionairemurph]

you need to read some more bud

[hockeyroom28]

i know it sounds like i dont have a clue, but im just nervous about bulking right now. im trying to up my calories to atleast 3000 which is a lot more than i did this summer. I lost around 14 lbs this past winter/spring from dieting and working hard, but lost some muscle as well. I gained mostly muscle back in the summer, but I dont want to go through the work to lose fat that I may gain in bulking.

[mkrulic]

i know it sounds like i dont have a clue, but im just nervous about bulking right now. im trying to up my calories to atleast 3000 which is a lot more than i did this summer. I lost around 14 lbs this past winter/spring from dieting and working hard, but lost some muscle as well. I gained mostly muscle back in the summer, but I dont want to go through the work to lose fat that I may gain in bulking.

If you think eq will lean you up you are mistaken. I know most profiles say this but its not true. eq is a vary weak hormone. dont expect much

[BigRandy]

ive done an EQ and winny only cycle... it was fvcking great... i put on 18 pounds of rock solid muscle mass and kept 14-15 of it... if i were you and you couldn't get the test i would run the EQ for like 12-14 weeks and definatly definatly throw in some anavar in there too for like 6 weeks... i don't think EQ is over-rated, i think its a fvcking great compound... i used to use it as a base as part of everyone of my cycles... if you ran an EQ and anavar only cycle ull pack on about 15+ pounds of solid lean ripped muscle mass, as long as you have ur diet, training, resting, and PCT in order... and ull keep alot of ur gains (90%)... and you know i don't think ull have a problem wit eating cause EQ increases appitite like 5 fold... u know i hate this testosterone only first cycle bullcrap... all of this test this test that, is a bunch of crap, i mean don't get me wrong its a great (the best) base compound and it's the best compound around, but if you can't get it use the EQ ull enjoy it... it doesn't even shut you down half as much as test and neither does the anavar, so PCT should be a breeze... but hey maybe you shouldn't listen to me and listen to all the other parrots in this thread... you look pretty lean in your pics, imagine bein 20 pounds heavier with veins buldging out of ur forearms, arms and shoulders, lifting 4 times what people your own size are lifting, and to top it off being completely shreaded and rock solid... but hey thats just my opinion... happy growing either way my man!

What did your eq only cycle look like?

[hockeyroom28]

mkrulic - would it work more towards lean muscle than test would?

[spooledup]

EQ is fine alone. Well, it is for me anyway.

A good EQ based cycle is:

EQ 12-14wk 400-500mg/wk
Winstrol last 4-6 weeks @ 50mg/day

This was my first cycle I put on 17lbs and kept most of it. I was very happy with the results.

I'm running 400mg EQ and 500mg test now and my sex drive isn't much better then just running EQ. First few weeks on EQ only used to increase my sex drive, but then in the later weeks seemed to taper off. If you add winstrol you could most definitely see a screwed up sex drive. I'd only run it for 3-4weeks towards the end as the full 6 weeks gives my willy some issues.

[J*U*icEd]

What did your eq only cycle look like?

by the way if you read my thread at the beginning it wasn't just an only EQ cycle...

week 1-12 EQ 600mgs/week
week 6-13 Winnny 50mgs/day

[hockeyroom28]

spooledup - what happened to your sex drive when u say it was screwed up?

[mkrulic]

mkrulic - would it work more towards lean muscle than test would?

no. absoultly not. clean bulk is obtained by diet. diet is clean, gains are clean. I know the profiles make it out to look perfect, clean gains w/ little sides, but dont expect this. the vast majority will tell you not to expect much.
get test, 500mg/week and get your diet right.

[spooledup]

spooledup - what happened to your sex drive when u say it was screwed up?

Prolonged use of winstrol made it hard to maintain an erection, and orgasm wasn't strong. For me anything over 4 weeks is prolonged.

Funny thing is I really liked the 4weeks of winstrol. My strength went up dramatically over just using the EQ for a couple months, and it really ripped me up in just that short of a time.

Winstrol is a freak AS for me. It gives me the best strength gains even over tren and test, and changes my body very quickly, but it gives me acne really bad so I'm not using it anymore

[Sage]

800mg/week EQ is serious business; don't knock it till u try it
U can run test much lower