what do i use

**spider_man** · 09-04-2007, 06:35 PM

what do i use to get big with minamal amounts of product? i'm on a cycle now useing deca and i even had some d-bol near the beginning. but i've only gained about 10 lbs and got a little leaner. i would like to get bigger. i'm on my 7 th week using deca. any help would be appreciated.. i got skinny legs and they don't fit with my upper body.

**buffgator** · 09-04-2007, 07:18 PM

cell tech and a squat rack. But seriousley it sounds like you need to make some changes before jumping into cycles.

**Titleist** · 09-04-2007, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by spider_man

what do i use to get big with minamal amounts of product? i'm on a cycle now useing deca and i even had some d-bol near the beginning. but i've only gained about 10 lbs and got a little leaner. i would like to get bigger. i'm on my 7 th week using deca. any help would be appreciated.. i got skinny legs and they don't fit with my upper body.

Your Deca may not have kicked in yet.

If you're getting leaner, it's likely that you are burning more calories than you are taking in.

What are your stats? Height, weight, age, bodyfat %, training experience, daily diet, etc...

**Big** · 09-04-2007, 07:29 PM

yes, stats please, and what exactly is the cycle you are on? what is your planned pct?

**spider_man** · 09-04-2007, 07:33 PM

almost 6'2" 39 body fat umknown but i weigh 250 i've been back into wieght training for about 8 months now but i'm no beginner at training. i don't train all day just about an hour in the morning but work the muscles intensely. red meat is my faveorite. sometimes i just make steak to eat.

**spider_man** · 09-04-2007, 07:34 PM

i started with deca for the first 3 weeks then added d-bol for the last four but now i'm done with d-bol.

**spider_man** · 09-04-2007, 07:35 PM

i also have nolvadex for the end of my cycle

**Big** · 09-04-2007, 07:37 PM

that is a very poor cycle, in my opinion. what dosages are you running? why no test?

**Big** · 09-04-2007, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by spider_man

i also have nolvadex for the end of my cycle

so you're going to do a nolvadex only pct for a very suppressive cycle?

**taiboxa** · 09-04-2007, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by ImaGetBigger

so you're going to do a nolvadex only pct for a very suppressive cycle?

makes me wonder all the more bout his diet.

**spider_man** · 09-04-2007, 07:44 PM

i'm really new at this so i thought i would try something light for my first cycle. i do take a good amout of protein during the day and eat meat.. i thjought i did my homework on this but i guess i didn't do enough so thats why i'm asking. the deca and d-bol hasn't produced any side effects that i've noticed

**spider_man** · 09-04-2007, 07:44 PM

is nolvadex the right thing to do at the end of this cycle?

**Big** · 09-04-2007, 07:52 PM

I'm surprised you aren't impotent from that cycle, and no, nolvadex only will not be a sufficient pct. Spend some time in the pct section and do some reading.

**3bd** · 09-04-2007, 08:00 PM

I'm still learning myself, but it isn't normal to run just deca by itself is it? Typically it is ran with e or c correct?

**Titleist** · 09-04-2007, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by 3**

I'm still learning myself, but it isn't normal to run just deca by itself is it? Typically it is ran with e or c correct?

That's correct. It's also a good idea to use Cabergoline along with it.

**3bd** · 09-04-2007, 08:08 PM

Cabergoline? Haven't heard that one yet, what is it?

**Big** · 09-04-2007, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by 3**

Cabergoline? Haven't heard that one yet, what is it?

http://www.ar-r.com/shop/product_inf...51af709f622d15

**3bd** · 09-04-2007, 10:01 PM

Thanks. I learn somthing new everytime I'm on the boards.

**spider_man** · 09-05-2007, 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by ImaGetBigger

I'm surprised you aren't impotent from that cycle, and no, nolvadex only will not be a sufficient pct. Spend some time in the pct section and do some reading.

i don't have any problems with sexual activity. i've benn cut for 4 years. so no more kids.

i guess that it affects everyone in different ways

so the original question was . what do i use to gain some size that doesn't cost a fortune and use minimal amounts?

**Michael Kennedy** · 09-05-2007, 04:36 AM

Your on the right track , just using your gear wrong ... The old school Double D stack is the one stack that has been proven time after time ... If you cant grow on Deca and D-bol then your food intake is off ... Eat all you can ! At your weight I'd suggest 40 mg D-bol split into two intervals ... Morning and after lunch... Along with at least 200mg Deca ... Although I'd do 300mg ! If you dont drink beer etc ... Run this together for around 10 weeks ... Have some Milk Thistle on hand to take with this cycle... 350 mg should do you right ... And definitly do some research on PCT ... Or Mr. Cortisol will release and take all of your hard work away ...

**DSM4Life** · 09-05-2007, 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by spider_man

i'm really new at this so i thought i would try something light for my first cycle. i do take a good amout of protein during the day and eat meat.. i thjought i did my homework on this but i guess i didn't do enough so thats why i'm asking. the deca and d-bol hasn't produced any side effects that i've noticed

I don't think you did any research. I think you read a few posts then went out and got some gear. If you read even for 10 mins you would have learned the best first cycle to start is test only. Not only will you get results from test alone but its also a good idea to start with one substance only to "test the waters" on how your body willl react to it.

Originally Posted by ImaGetBigger

I'm surprised you aren't impotent from that cycle, and no, nolvadex only will not be a sufficient pct. Spend some time in the pct section and do some reading.

**spider_man** · 09-05-2007, 01:53 PM

i read about mostly deca because that was what was available to me at the time. i didn't read much about test. which one would i use test "e" or test "a". my body hasn't reacted much at all to the deca and dbol ecept to get a little size but not much and i got a little leaner. it's really hard with my job to eat all the time too so i do protien supliments

**Budk024** · 09-05-2007, 03:33 PM

Against what most other people said i actually went on a deca only cycle but with proper diet and sleep i was able to gain 22 to 23 pound in a period of only 10 weeks. i was taking 600mgs a week 300 mon and 300 thurs and eating like an animal i put noticable size. i did feel a little more tired than usual but i did not have any problems with impotency or anything like that. The only real sides i did suffer from was acne and that was not until about two weeks after my last shot.