Test E/Deca/IGF-1 LR3 (First Cycle) Advice Please

[OatPower7]

Age: 21
Height: 5'6"
Weight: 165lbs
BF%: ~7%
Years Training: 8
Calories: ~3500-4000


Week: 1-12
Test E: 500mg week; 250mg 2x week
Deca: 400mg week; 200mg 2x week

Week: 2-4 & 14-16
IGF-1 LR3: 40mcg EOD


PCT: Torem, IGF-1 LR3, ActivaTe Extreme, Green MAG

I have a few questions that I figured you "vets" could answer

1) Does the supraphysiological nitrogen retention really begin? Is it immediate (from the first time you pin)? Does it take a few weeks?

2) We have enough Arimidex to last us throughout the cycle. Both of us are really lean (approx. 7-8%), so will this help us keep the lean look without the "test bloat?"

See......I didnt have that many questions

[sitries]

seems like your pretty educated on gear from your post. but i dont understand why your using 3 compounds if its your 1st cycle. you only need test at 500mg for a 1st cycle. if you eat 4000cals then youl pack on at least 24lbs - probably more. how much extra are you expecting to gain from using more compounds???? there is no need to use a stack if its ur 1st time. if you must - then stack the gear in a later cycle. you dont need the deca or the IGF

[taiboxa]

stop deca week earlier

[sitries]

why cant he use just test?? why does he need deca aswel?? theres no point in it. what more is he going to gain??

[taiboxa]

why cant he use just test?? why does he need deca aswel?? theres no point in it. what more is he going to gain??

in all honesty HE WOULD GAIN ALOT MORE from deca being incorporated.

you are aware that nor'test groups are far more anaboilc and much more potent than test right?
infact even just the addition of a DHT would induce far more gains than test by its self.

[Lucky777]

Yeah I had that same ?.....Iam starting a similar stack but with anadrol as well.....I just figured to go for the gusto the first time but will it even make a diffrence???

[taiboxa]

Yeah I had that same ?.....Iam starting a similar stack but with anadrol as well.....I just figured to go for the gusto the first time but will it even make a diffrence???

the problem is.. how will u know which compound is inducing what sides?
some people respond horribly to deca .. others horribly to drol.. some can not tolerate test.. how are you going to know which compounds to ommit and which to incorporate in your next cycle?
if your too hasty.. your going to actually manifest a longer path to acquire your goals..

[sitries]

the guys 21 with no cycle experience. so say he gains 30lbs from his 1st cycle of 12 weeks of enanthate . how much more do you think hel gain from using the deca aswel????is it really worth adding it in for a 21 yr old 1st timer??? and IGF!!!!!

[taiboxa]

the guys 21 with no cycle experience. so say he gains 30lbs from his 1st cycle of 12 weeks of enanthate. how much more do you think hel gain from using the deca aswel????is it really worth adding it in for a 21 yr old 1st timer??? and IGF!!!!!

lol 30lbs.. where did you ascertain that figure from.. maybe if he was an ethiopian...
igf isnt exactly potent in the anabolic area but its very effective at burning fat... whats wrong w/ incorporating it?
im certain the gains, especially in the strength area, would be far far greater w/ the addition of deca . test is WEAK.. anyone w/ a lick of experience will make a comment of the same degree.

[OatPower7]

Thanks for your replys fellas

I have been researching for over 4 years. I want the Deca in there for my joints. I separated my shoulder and blew my knee out in HS, and I want a "pain free" cycle as far as my joints go.

1) When does the supraphysiological nitrogen retention really begin? Is it immediate (from the first time you pin)? Does it take a few weeks?

2) We have enough Arimidex to last us throughout the cycle. Both of us are really lean (approx. 7-8%), so will this help us keep the lean look without the "test bloat?

[taiboxa]

Thanks for your replys fellas

I have been researching for over 4 years. I want the Deca in there for my joints. I separated my shoulder and blew my knee out in HS, and I want a "pain free" cycle as far as my joints go.

1) When does the supraphysiological nitrogen retention really begin? Is it immediate (from the first time you pin)? Does it take a few weeks?

2) We have enough Arimidex to last us throughout the cycle. Both of us are
really lean (approx. 7-8%), so will this help us keep the lean look without the "test bloat?

meh, arimidex isnt that amazing, might help a lil
and what is your obsession w/ the nitrogen retention?

[OatPower7]

meh, arimidex isnt that amazing, might help a lil
and what is your obsession w/ the nitrogen retention?

LOL "obsession"......

Anyways, I just want to know when the extra protein I am eating will start to be "effected" by the circulating steroids in my blood.

[taiboxa]

LOL "obsession"......

Anyways, I just want to know when the extra protein I am eating will start to be "effected" by the circulating steroids in my blood.

too many variables.. depends on bioavailibility, amount, other macros involved... if your trying to allow for the utilization of extra protein, look into igf.

[OatPower7]

too many variables.. depends on bioavailibility, amount, other macros involved... if your trying to allow for the utilization of extra protein, look into igf.

Thanks for all of your help Tiaboxa

I will update this thread when I start to see/feel changes in strength and size during my cycle.