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**john vega** · 09-07-2007, 08:34 AM

guyz, i have a problem here. for starters...5 foot 9..200 pounds. bf is 9-10%..few cycles as experience......id say bout 5 weekx ago started a cycle with short esters..sus 350..and deca 300mg...im in 2 my fifth week and making good gains. i just feel like shit on the quik esters...alwayz achy joints and flu like symptoms from the prop.. now...the problem is that i was fortunate enough to fall in the hands of a well-known person(joe weider like guy to guide me)...best way i cud explain him...that wants me to do the eastern usa show as a light heavyweight...he said i need to drop the cycle of the short esters and start a long esterfied cycle..cause i cant handle..whic is true..i cant handle the short esters im finding out the long..and hard way..i just dont have enough time to do a pct and then recover and start new cycle for show..show is in november...mid-late november and i wanted to start a cycle like this....weeks 1-6 turinabol . 80 mgs ed
1-12 enanthate ..250 mgs on mon and thurd...500 total.
1-10 deca 300 mgs twice per week loaded in same syringe as enanthate for mon and thurs injections.

question..shud i start hcg now while i continue runing sus 350 with deca till say week weekx 10 or 12..since im gonna jump into this cycle above right after regardless.... or shud i wait. i figured that hcg will make my recover easier after i come off of enanthate cycle...and hopefully do well in show....

this is sumtin im gonna do even considering ramifications..i just dont feel comfortable talking to this guy about these type of questions just yet..i Appreciate any kind of support on this topic..thankx fellas....

**john vega** · 09-07-2007, 08:51 AM

i also had a second question...since i have left over 9 ccs of the sus 350 and deca left...shud i just run it and jump into enanthate cycle..or just stop sus cycel altogether. and run enanthate cycle..im not sure since i started sus cycle how stopping now wud affect my blood plasma levels since they r spiked due to the short esters in them. but then again..theyll be spiked even if i continue so im a little bit indecisive on this one guys if u cud shed sum light on it for me.

**taiboxa** · 09-07-2007, 09:29 AM

wait.. are u saying that SUST and DECA ARE SHORT ESTERS?

**john vega** · 09-07-2007, 09:55 AM

lol. no ..im not saying deca is a short ester. im saying sus has short esters in it..and i really cant hack the sides anymore.....this what makes me wanna turn to long esterfied injectables....any comments or answers to my questions wud help though..

**taiboxa** · 09-07-2007, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by john vega

lol. no ..im not saying deca is a short ester. im saying sus has short esters in it..and i really cant hack the sides anymore.....this what makes me wanna turn to long esterfied injectables....any comments or answers to my questions wud help though..

i bet its estrogen related and not ester related.. tried a mild AI?

**john vega** · 09-07-2007, 10:26 AM

i ve run arimidex whenever i hit myself with sus. i also have nolva on hand. lotz of it..but i understand that u shudnt run it with deca ...but cud i ask u???
shud i run enanthate cycle now or shud i completely run sus till i finish than run enathate.....when u say run a mild ai..was that a general question..or are u tellin me to run an ai for ???many weekx b4 i run enanthate cycle. and how long shud i run ai for b4 i run next cycle.. i appreciate any help tai being i will be competing in the next few months???

**taiboxa** · 09-07-2007, 10:32 AM

nolva is shown to increase possible progesterone sides via increase in recepters not ideal when runnin nor groups.

personally i dont think changing the ester will make a lick of difference since sust has a nice long ester in it.

**john vega** · 09-07-2007, 10:48 AM

so lemme get sumtin straight here tai. im a little slow sum x...see that. short esters attacking my brain cells..haha

so u r tellin me that it doesnt make a chick flick lick of a difference if i change to a long esterfied injectable now..or keep up with sus for another 5 weekx or go straight into enanthate cycle. question than...if im right...shud i run hcg now to make my pct which will have to happen eventually..a little bit easier to recover???

**taiboxa** · 09-07-2007, 10:50 AM

meh IMO hcg never did anythin special for me cept make sex last bout 6 seconds.
i'd just stick w/ sust since u got it..
as long as you administrations are frequent your blood plasma levels should be pretty stable as the short esters are dosed so small.

**john vega** · 09-07-2007, 10:57 AM

thankx tai. okay i got u on sus..but once im done...just jump right into enanthate cycle is good?? is the overall layout look okay that i put up for review...

also, i take avodart. will this induce gyno probabilities in people. cause i dont wanna run down that road...