What would be best to cut? Var, Clen, Win, or DNP?

[vvp24]

Hello, to everyone

I am 23 about 235lb and want to start on my first cycle, I have the strength, and mass. All I want now is to get cut/Shredded/ lose fat what ever you want to call it. I have changed my diet and got back to working out.

I was wondering what would be the best for my first cycle to get cut Var? Clen ? Winny? or DNP < I know this stuff is serious. or something else? I want to cut down to about 210 if not 205.

[Titleist]

Post up your diet.
How tall are you?
How long have you been "back working out"?

[kfrost06]

^^what he said

[vvp24]

I am 6'1'' and I have been working out for damn as long as i can remember I just got done with college football.. and took 4 months off (trip to Australia).. now I just started working out again for 3 weeks now.

my diet is a high protein diet.
5 meals a day every 3 hrs. light and small ones. 2 meals are replaced with protein bars and protein shakes. following a book i read while Down under.

[goalseeker]

theres lots of threads on cutting cycles to be found if you go lookin.... Do lots of research first cuz there are things you will not know and can harm you if not done properly.. your right.. its serious stuff and inexperience can wreak havok on a newbie if you dont read first.. Once you get your base knowledge down pat, the rest of us can fine tune for you...good luck bro...

[vvp24]

Well I have done a fair amount of research on cycles for cutting, for the past 4 days all I have been doing is reading, There is stuff that say one is better than the other then the other way around. I would like to opinion when comparing all 4 of them. or maybe you can point me to one I have not looked at yet

[Titleist]

You can "cut" with virtually any compound, although some are more suited for that purpose. Your results will d epend solely on your diet.

You do NOT need DNP . For that matter, no one does. It's a very dangerous compound and I personally wouldn't touch it with a 25 foot pole.

[vvp24]

lol thanks So no DNP . but which one of the other 3 would you recommend?

[johnmacdan]

I lost bf while gaining 2lbs on my first cycle using a very strict diet along with 500mg test/w + clen + t3.

[vvp24]

well i know I don't want to do test, and want to lose wight. how much bf did you lose?

[longhorn814]

I am 6'1'' and I have been working out for damn as long as i can remember I just got done with college football.. and took 4 months off (trip to Australia).. now I just started working out again for 3 weeks now.

my diet is a high protein diet.
5 meals a day every 3 hrs. light and small ones. 2 meals are replaced with protein bars and protein shakes. following a book i read while Down under.

please post meal by meal including macros of each meal. You need to know how many calories youre eating daily and how many come from protein, fat, and carbs..read this first and if youre not eating like that you should start

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729

Since youve never cycled before and you want to cut and good first cutting cyle would be 50-75mg test prop/day..much less water retention with prop

[vvp24]

hear are my meals:

1st: 6 egg whites toast and a banana
2nd: protein bar with apple and peanut butter
3rd: usually chicken breast with brown rice, sometimes fish.
4rth: is protein shake with banana (after work out)
5th: some sort of beef with no carbs but mixed steamed veggies

[vvp24]

each is about 500 cal or so

[longhorn814]

hear are my meals:

1st: 6 egg whites toast and a banana
2nd: protein bar with apple and peanut butter
3rd: usually chicken breast with brown rice, sometimes fish.
4rth: is protein shake with banana (after work out)
5th: some sort of beef with no carbs but mixed steamed veggies

diet definitely needs some improvement..for starters you need lots more protein..youre a big guy now at 235 so you need at least you 235 grams of protein, but try to 1.5 grams/lb of body weight so about 350 or so and you need less carbs and more good fats if you wanna cut..check out that thread I gave you it has lots of good info in it..diet and cardio will cut you up way more than any AAS..steroids are used to preserve muscle while cutting

[john vega]

just take it as FOOD for thought...but id add a little more fiber with each meal...perhaps a green apple, some sort of berry, or even some green with each and every meal...also in between meals.....like i said...food for thought.

[johnmacdan]

well i know I don't want to do test, and want to lose wight. how much bf did you lose?

I had an injury to my knee and stopped cardio for about 2 years. I kept lifting, but not what I would call great workouts. I had put on some serious weight. I had dropped from 298 to 260 before starting the cycle. My bf was mid 20s at that time. I finished at 262 and after pct, I am still 262. My bf is now in the mid teens. The diet/cardio was what took off the bf, but I don't think I would have increased size without the AAS.

[vvp24]

yeah I just read that thread you gave me I will start getting more protein. and more good fats I thought I was getting from fish and almonds that I m eating.

[freddy666]

DNP Will cook your guts if not used right, stay away from it

[vvp24]

I will start getting on a stricter diet and get more protein. but what about a cycle will that not help lose the fat faster?

[longhorn814]

yeah I just read that thread you gave me I will start getting more protein. and more good fats I thought I was getting from fish and almonds that I m eating.

honestly you really should monitor what you eat daily for a while to have an idea of your daily macros. Check out www.fitday.com you can enter everything you eat and it will break it down into macros for you..i was amazed when i started doing that..you dont really realize what youre eating..after a while you can stop b/c you get the idea of how to really eat, but it will help you in the long run

[fatrock]

I ran a cycle of clen / t3 and then test e but if you dont want the test.

then eat up on the protien hit some cardio and run a clen T3 combo. you should should burn the fat off making you look more shredded. It worked for me.

[vvp24]

stupid question but what is T3 I remember reading it somewhere but right now i can't find it

[longhorn814]

T3=cytomel ..thyroid hormone..its under profiles section

[vvp24]

so just diet no suggestions on either var, clen , or winny?

[Titleist]

so just diet no suggestions on either var, clen, or winny?

Here's an idea, albeit idiotic, why don't you read the profiles of each compound, do a few searches using the search bar(located at the top right of the page) and then determine which one sounds best to you.

[bor]

1. strict diet - look up the diet forum

2. ECA morning empty stomach cardio

3. some form of test like prop

4. var is too expensive for what it does

5. seems you're way too inexperienced for DNP or t3 or t4

6. winny doesn't burn fat it just hardens you up when you're already lean

7. tren BURNS fat

8. but whatever you take diet and cardio must be in PERFECT check

[taiboxa]

after seeing the type of dietary knowledge the thread starter posses.. aas is not for him yet.. what he wants can easily be attained through a proper nutrtion protocol.

save the aas for when u KNOW WHAT you are doing.

[vvp24]

thanks for all the advise I m still going to go on a cycle clean up my diet a bit and go harder on the work outs I just need help picking which one to go on to.

[taiboxa]

if you NEED HELP to figure out WHICH CYCLE TO GO ON.. you havnt done ample research on your own yet.

[vvp24]

I thought I did, so your say I have to figure it out on my own? I was just trying to see which one is better if that makes any sense

[Lil man 10]

IF your dead set on doing some sort of "cycle" look into clen or an eca stack which i believe consist of ephedra caffine and asprin? yes/no anyone? dont know much bout that but i like clen.

[Renesis]

I used clen and I enjoyed the results I obtained from it. An eca stack is ephedra caffeine and aspirin yes.

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

Test Prop (optional in my opinion), Winstrol , Clen , T3. Figure them out use them all. Some people will say that's a lot for a first go but really it's pretty simple. One injectable, one oral, a stimulant, and a thyroid. You have most of your basics covered. If you want 2 things I would choose Winstrol and T3. With that you don't have to inject, only swallow, and you can get your metabolism cranked up. Drugs are only as good as your diet and training so I'll still give you advice unlike some, but your success is your responsibility so READ!!!

[vvp24]

I have done a ECA stack before but it gets you all cracked up like im on coke. but I don't know if it was legit Ephedra.

Thanks 100%Natural-theGH the only thing is just I really don't like needles lol. And your saying dont use just one stack it with something else?

[vvp24]

thanks

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

Few things bud... we all have our personal life but on here mentioning rec drugs will get you a bad rep fast. Also asking where to find gear will get you in shit FAST so don't do it on here! At the very least keep it to PMs and even then some may get upset so be discreet. I would say to stack your compounds but you can get away with just one you just won't get optimal results. Invest some time just reading and doing searches and in a few months you'll know more than you wanted to... it's worth the time if your in it for the long haul my friend. Please delete both your last replies for your own sake.

[Titleist]

Here's the thing bud, you are wanting to take some sort of PED, but you aren't willing to put the time in to research. The research is important so you know what the hell you are doing.

You don't need anything for your goals, except a solid diet/training and a fat burner, but since you insist on taking something illegal to get where you wanna be, put in some time.

You're talking about putting something into your body that will elevate your hormone levels, etc...Wouldn't you want to know exactly what you are doing so nothing goes awry? This is the point I'm trying to get across to you. This isn't something you just decide overnight, you have to research for awhile.

[vvp24]

thanks bro I have been reading and researching for a while I was against these whole thing for a number of years while I was still playing football. now I have done some research, I believe that this is research as well becuase this thread has linked me to some new reading and ideas.

[MaleModel]

ya honestly, i used to think the only way im gonna lose more fat is thru drugs. no way, after trying virtually every fat burner you could think of, i realize the only way is thru diet/cardio lmao.

only thing i like about certain drugs however, is the energy they give you for workouts. thats key, dieting can make you tired to the point wer you feel thinking is 2 much of an effort.

[longhorn814]

ya honestly, i used to think the only way im gonna lose more fat is thru drugs. no way, after trying virtually every fat burner you could think of, i realize the only way is thru diet/cardio lmao.

only thing i like about certain drugs however, is the energy they give you for workouts. thats key, dieting can make you tired to the point wer you feel thinking is 2 much of an effort.

I hear ya on that one..I wish I had back all the money Ive spent over the years on worthless fat burning supplements!