Oral Only liver values scientific responses please

[Lil man 10]

I was recently asked this question and had no good answer. A buddy who is a die hard pills only type and were in a arguement about dbol only cycles. he likes them, I told him to back it with test to get any keepable gains, he said why not back with var or tbol just using dbol as a 4 week kicker. I responded by saying it would be to stressful on the liver, (even though liver stress is vastly over rated) his response was what about people who use dbol to kick start a test cycle then end with injectable winstrol or any cycle containing 2 17a's how do thier liver values compare to someone who does the dbol/var cycle. any one have any input? after reading up all week I have come up with no good respnse?

[taiboxa]

what makes test gains more "keepable" than dbol gains?

[ottomaddox]

I think you should look into what orals do to your cholesterol/lipid profiles too.
Peace,
CR

[Lil man 10]

dbol gains/ test gains should all be the same correct? I just see guys bounce back and forth with dbol only so i reccomend test with almost any cycle if at only replacment dosage. guess that was the wrong way to state it in the origanal post now the cholestorol/ lipid profile are very interesting point i overlooked anyone have any numbers on these with respect to the above compounds?

[football2007]

my liver values were double the high range 3 months after a test/dbol cycle.....and 5 months after dbol was done.

I still think it was unrelated tho...so who knows?

I still think you should limit most orals to 5-6 weeks or so..

[billybambam]

my liver values were double the high range 3 months after a test/dbol cycle.....and 5 months after dbol was done.

I still think it was unrelated tho...so who knows?

I still think you should limit most orals to 5-6 weeks or so..

Why???
I am going on my 19th week of a straight D-Bol 125mgs/ed cycle!
My Liver / kidneys feel Grrrrreat! LOL!